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How the vegan food trend made a star of the stinking jackfruit
- azinman2 8y agoDo people understand it’s nutritional value is not equivalent to what it’s replacing (when mimicking meat)? Looking at the “pulled pork” bun on the webpage made me think, would you still feel like this is just fine for lunch if it was slices of pineapple instead inside?
- ohyes 8y agoI think with pineapple the bun would be all soggy. A piece of bread and some pineapple would be fine for lunch I think. It would be weird because we don’t think of that combination of foods as a typical sandwich. Pineapple has a much different flavor profile than jackfruit. Jackfruit is a bit of a blank slate, and has a texture that is the right mix of meaty and tender. Pineapple is very sour and juicy, it’s completely different food. We think nothing of cucumber sandwiches, tomato sandwiches, eggplant sandwiches, various bean products (tofu, black bean, falafel). I think you’re playing on the (gustatorily) incongruent nature of a ‘pineapple sandwich’ and conflating that emotion with the relative nutritional qualities that would comprise a ‘pineapple sandwich’ (probably not far off a cucumber sandwich with quince paste).
- darkpuma 8y agoHeh, I once got a "watermelon steak" at a vegan restaurant in Seattle. Let me tell you, a slice of grilled watermelon is not even remotely similar to a steak.
- sct202 8y agoMost people do understand that you need to monitor your nutrition more on a vegetarian or vegan diet, especially if you're converting. For food that's a mimic, it's already hard enough to make something that tastes similar that making it nutritionally equivalent is not realistic.
- simplecomplex 8y agoYes, everyone understands that. Especially vegans. I really wouldn’t worry about one of the most obese countries in the entire world lacking for calories and protein.
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- Legogris 8y agoHaving a vegetarian diet, this is the most difficult thing when eating out. More often than not it's extremely carb-heavy and barely any protein. Few places make balanced vegetarian meals - mostly Indian and specifically vegan restaurants.
- TaylorAlexander 8y agoI’m a vegan. I don’t really like jackfruit, but I can tell you that I don’t look for meat-equivalent nutrition really. I do seek to eat a healthy balanced diet, but removing meat and dairy means changing the rest of your diet to ensure your body gets all that it needs. If you were to go vegan by replacing meat with meat substitutes, you would not be a happy vegan. However the substitutes can be nice. Yesterday I got a beyond burger at Carl’s Jr. The meal had nothing to do with nutrition, but was about a longing for junk food I have missed. There’s lots of reasons to eat jackfruit and I believe most vegans are clear that jackfruit cannot simply replace pork to make a healthy vegan diet.
- on_and_off 8y ago> Do people understand it’s nutritional value is not equivalent to what it’s replacing (when mimicking meat)? yes > Looking at the “pulled pork” bun on the webpage made me think, would you still feel like this is just fine for lunch if it was slices of pineapple instead inside? yes, that sounds like a way better lunch than pulled pork. I am not vegetarian and I am very active but I don't feel the need to eat meat more than once or twice a week. And even then that's only because I like its taste, afaik there is nothing in meat or dairy you can't find somewhere else.
- hombre_fatal 8y agoFor some reason, when the topic of veganism comes up, people act like everyone is otherwise incidentally healthy due to their omnivore diet when that's obviously not the case. And that somehow making a conscious decision about what you eat for once puts you at risk for being less healthy. Meanwhile, our foods are fortified with things like calcium and vitamin D because people otherwise don't get enough. In a nation where we all certainly eat enough. Maybe it's indeed time to drop the idea that we don't have to think about what we eat.
- cbhl 8y agoSome do; some don't. In my experience, most find a source of protein quickly (tofu, tempeh, peanut butter, chickpeas, quinoa). But some end up with iron deficiency and may need to take supplements. (Broccoli looks like a comparable source by weight -- 1.1mg per 148g, versus 2.2mg per 85g of beef. But 85g of beef is roughly 3/4 cup by volume, whereas to get the ~300g of broccoli for the same 2.2 mg of iron, you need to eat two stalks or three cups by volume.)
- Legogris 8y agoSpinach is a great source of iron. 2.7mg per 100g. Also high in protein. I think there's a reason Popeye is all about spinach.
- cbhl 8y agoTrue, but if you're eating raw spinach you need something like nine cups to get your RDA (assuming RDA of 8mg/day, and about 3 cups per 100g). Females 19-50 are told to eat 2x that; pregnant females 3x (27mg/day(!), source: https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/ https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/). If you cook it, then your 300g spinach reduces to something like one and a half cups, but you have to be careful to not lose water-soluble iron to your cooking method. Also, you have to like the texture of wilted spinach. If you're used to eating half-cup sides of spinach, making spinach your primary iron source is a fairly major change to how you eat.
- pvaldes 8y agoSpinach has oxalic acid that can lead to fragile bones. I wouldn't suggest to eat a lot of it (specially if you are a pregnant woman), unless you take countermeasures to assure a correct calcium intake.
- vezycash 8y agoI've tried to buy this twice from china through ebay. First time, I got very tiny seeds - I have no idea what the plant is. Second time, I got orange seeds. I'd have kept trying but I found out that Jackfruit seeds lose viability very fast. So, even if the right seeds were sent, they'd be duds in the 2-3 months it takes to get to me. Wanted to see if it could be used commercially as a meat replacement in pies.
- barbecue_sauce 8y agoI've purchased canned jackfruit before from asian supermarkets. Depending on where you live, this could be difficult, but your area may have an H-Mart. I personally wasn't a fan of the texture.
- darkpuma 8y agoIt bothers me how often veganism is at odds with the local food movement. It isn't all the time, but it seems to often be. It's hard for me to square any ethical argument for making an obscure fruit or seed from the other side of the planet a staple of my diet, particularly when that food is being produced in regions with environmental destruction unchecked by effective environmental regulation.
- mushufasa 8y agoDiffering regional environmental regulations is indeed a big problem. One pet peeve of mine is locavores clamoring about emissions from transportation. Food shipped overseas is not emissions intense at all. Huge tankers are __the__ most efficient means of transportation, emissions-wise. Pair efficient diesel with the physics of huge inertia over a frictionless medium, and gigantic economies of scale. Usually, growing tomatoes in a greenhouse in Vermont is __more__ emissions intense than shipping them from Chile.
- YUMad 8y agoMore efficient per mile, sure. But how about per total trip length?
- Xylakant 8y agoThe local leg via truck is likely to be much more energy intensive unless you live right next to a seaport.
- darkpuma 8y agoEating foods that are actually endemic in your region is important. However I will admit the equation probably gets flipped if you live in a region with poor environmental regulation and have the opportunity to eat imported food from a region with better environmental regulation. As for the matter of emissions, that's a complex issue. In the specific case of heated greenhouses, one must consider the source of the power being used to heat the greenhouse. Not all power is made equal when it comes to emissions. Some places burn coal, others use hydro (clean, but damming rivers causes habitat loss), others use renewables (great) or nuclear (clean and controversial.) Frankly though food related emissions are going to be a small portion of all global emissions. What concerns me more is habitat loss caused by agriculture, and whether or not the region I'm getting food from has effective regulation in place concerning that (and if not, whether I have any chance of influencing the government in that region.)
- vram22 8y ago>Covered in spikes and emitting a stench of rotting onions, Wondering if that bit about "rotting onions" is wrong. I'm Indian and live in India, and while I haven't eaten jackfruit often, I have eaten it sometimes (the ripe sweet version), and never got a smell like that from it. I've even travelled for non-trivial periods through Tamil Nadu and Kerala states, where jackfruit is grown a lot, seen it growing on roadside trees, etc. It definitely has a strong smell, but it's just a strong sweet fruity smell, IIRC. Definitely can be an acquired taste, maybe more so for people from the West. But not bad, IMO. Anyone else know better? or is the rotting onion smell they mention, from when it is not ripe yet, maybe? Because I've not seen/tasted it in that stage. BTW, I've read elsewhere that it is supposed to be one of those wonder plants, which can help combat malnutrition, hunger, etc., if grown on a larger scale in the tropical (and subtropical?) countries where it can grow, and where there are sometimes food shortages, such as some parts of Asia and Africa. Same goes for a few other plants/trees (in the sense of wonder plants, though not necessarily all for nutrition - some are for medical, construction or other uses, often multiple uses), like coconut, neem, bamboo, Moringa (drumstick tree), etc. Edited for grammar.
- hombre_fatal 8y agoThey grew all over the place where I lived in Nayarit, Mexico. They just had the boring smell of an unripe banana. Kinda tasted like one, too. Maybe they're confusing yaka with durian fruit?
- vram22 8y agoSo is yaka the Mexican name for jackfruit? (Just started reading the article, in case it mentions that). Yes, I had the same thought about whether they confused jackfruit with durian (which AFAIK grows mainly in SE Asia). Never had it myself.
- hombre_fatal 8y agoYeah, force of habit. Never heard of jackfruit until HN where we get an article about them every few months as people discover them. Two other fruits I think more Americans should try are guyaba/guava and guanabana. Both are somewhat annoying to eat due to the seeds, but they have some unique flavors. Those are my two go-to icecream flavors. Unfortunately the lack of demand makes them expensive in the US where I was astounded. They almost give them away where I live in Mexico. Same with dragon fruit. A single fruit was $8 in Texas. Meanwhile I get them from the pitaya guy who rolls down my street 4x for <$1.
- TheRealWatson 8y agoI'm the opposite of a vegetarian and I love jackfruit. I'll admit it's something of an acquired taste and lots of people hate its smell. I love it. Grew up eating it and I'm very happy to see it more easily in my local grocery stores.
- blunte 8y agoJackfruit is awesome. However, as I discovered, that some people have some level of allergies to the raw fruit (some pollen allergy). You'll know it because your throat will tighten, your eyes will itch, etc. But if it's cooked, it's no problem. Raw, it is slightly sweet and generally mild in flavor (with a nice texture, imo). Cooked, it can be torn into strips that is very texturally similar to chicken or pulled pork.
- kbutler 8y agoSounds like oral allergy syndrome, which is actually a response to the proteins in the food: https://www.allergicliving.com/2011/11/30/the-scoop-on-raw-vs-cooked-fruit/ https://www.allergicliving.com/2011/11/30/the-scoop-on-raw-v... (And while I didn't like jackfruit on initial exposure, I quickly grew to enjoy it - not like Thailand's other stinking fruit, the durian, which some people really love but I detest...)
- Legogris 8y ago> In May 2018, the Kerala government declared jackfruit the state’s official fruit, with the winning slogan: “Jackfruit is the best fruit. Its fruit has innumerable good qualities.” This is so charming. Reminds me of Japanese small prefectures and cities and their local mascots and specialties.
- tdeck 8y agoI bought some jackfruit a while back at the local asian market. The fruit tastes like JuicyFruit gum to me. Not only that, but the seeds are also edible and delicious when roasted, somewhere between a potato and a chestnut. I made a pretty good curry out of them based on this recipe: https://youtu.be/IBoTxDgMauM https://youtu.be/IBoTxDgMauM
- dilap 8y agoAMLO (prez of mexico) is also a fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjcyRO-vPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjcyRO-vPw
- bitesociety 8y agoAs a vegan, I enjoy jackfruit occasionally but it's a a long ways removed from the taste and texture of the new generation of plant based meats. If I'm eating healthy I'd rather go for other more accessible fruit, veggies and legumes and if eating for meat taste instead would prefer Impossible, Beyond, Gardein and Hungry Planet etc.
- strken 8y agoAs an omnivore I quite like the fake pulled "pork" made from green jackfruit. It reminds me of the texture of artichoke hearts, whereas lots of the new fake meats fall into the uncanny valley.
- bitesociety 8y agoI guess there must be a market for it, pizza hut wouldn't have launched it otherwise. btw, not sure if you've tried the recent V2 launches but impossible and beyond keep getting better year on year. I've had omni friends start to post positively about the over the past month or two which is a big change from even just a year or two ago.
- node-bayarea 8y agoYo! The author is an idiot! Jackfruit is not Durion! It's like confusing Java and JavaScript!
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- tokyoHacker 8y agoDisclosure:I am from Kerala so probably a bit biased in favor. Jackfruit can be used to make jam, dried chips, curries and a bunch of other things that my limited vocabulary restricts me from mentioning. Ofcourse ripe jack fruit is delicious by itself. To top this, the seed of jackfruit is also used for preparing varios curries. This fruit has a potential that is yet to be tapped to its fullest.