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This is correct with a minor exception: if the posts are deleted because of illegality or DMCA (i.e. not because you pissed off mod of a random community) those

This is correct with a minor exception: if the posts are deleted because of illegality or DMCA (i.e. not because you pissed off mod of a random community) those aren’t reversible. You can make your client not respect this form of deletion as well, by modifying the source code, however that would make you legally liable. Generally, you’re liable for the content your computer shares in all cases, so having that legality-based block list is a benefit to you. You can disable it, but you probably don’t want to. All other deletions are just a flip switch away from being reverted. Ultimately, as the end user you have full control over both systems.

yorwba 8y ago
Why would a pissed-off mod not flip the "this is illegal" switch instead of the "this pissed me off" switch?
- Aeolun 8y ago
  Presumably because the ability to use the illegal switch lies with the Aether creator, not the mod.
  - rolleiflex 8y ago
    That is correct. Though mods can report illegality, they can’t use the second system (called badlist, a list of hashes) themselves. They would first delete it through normal means, and then flag it. Likely this will be automated in the UI at some point. Again, the first system is is designed to be user reversible so disabling a mod is a fairly mundane, ordinary thing that can be done easily via the UI. Disabling the badlist obviously takes more effort but a determined person would be able to disable it, I’d presume. Nevertheless, for the vast majority of people who don’t disable the badlist, they would still be protected against those who disable it since the filter would protect their computer from accepting or sharing that content. So even when badlist is disabled, the only people anybody who disables it can harm is themselves. Basically, the badlist a courtesy provided on a best-effort basis, so that your computer doesn’t share sketchy content, because if it does, you are legally responsible for it. This isn’t the best system probably, but until I find something that works better in practice, this is good enough. When it comes to these kind of things, hope is not a strategy.
    - int_19h 8y ago
      How would you feel about a precompiled fork of Aether that has badlist disabled? (I'm pretty sure this is going to happen at a certain level of popularity.)
      - sadris 8y ago
        That would be liable for helping to distribute illegal content, much like Pirate Bay is.
    - Aeolun 8y ago
      Cool, that’s basically exactly how I expected it to work. Even if you disable the badlist, you’d have to work hard to sync bad content that you don’t already have, since most normal clients would not share it.
  - Cilvic 8y ago
    Who is the Aether creator in this case? If that's the Aether-company, we are still at their mercy to change rules around mods etc. any time? so there's not much value in the p2p except they save money on hosting and lure us in with the promise of p2p = independence?

yorwba 8y ago

Why would a pissed-off mod not flip the "this is illegal" switch instead of the "this pissed me off" switch?

Aeolun 8y ago
Presumably because the ability to use the illegal switch lies with the Aether creator, not the mod.
- rolleiflex 8y ago
  That is correct. Though mods can report illegality, they can’t use the second system (called badlist, a list of hashes) themselves. They would first delete it through normal means, and then flag it. Likely this will be automated in the UI at some point. Again, the first system is is designed to be user reversible so disabling a mod is a fairly mundane, ordinary thing that can be done easily via the UI. Disabling the badlist obviously takes more effort but a determined person would be able to disable it, I’d presume. Nevertheless, for the vast majority of people who don’t disable the badlist, they would still be protected against those who disable it since the filter would protect their computer from accepting or sharing that content. So even when badlist is disabled, the only people anybody who disables it can harm is themselves. Basically, the badlist a courtesy provided on a best-effort basis, so that your computer doesn’t share sketchy content, because if it does, you are legally responsible for it. This isn’t the best system probably, but until I find something that works better in practice, this is good enough. When it comes to these kind of things, hope is not a strategy.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    How would you feel about a precompiled fork of Aether that has badlist disabled? (I'm pretty sure this is going to happen at a certain level of popularity.)
    - sadris 8y ago
      That would be liable for helping to distribute illegal content, much like Pirate Bay is.
  - Aeolun 8y ago
    Cool, that’s basically exactly how I expected it to work. Even if you disable the badlist, you’d have to work hard to sync bad content that you don’t already have, since most normal clients would not share it.
- Cilvic 8y ago
  Who is the Aether creator in this case? If that's the Aether-company, we are still at their mercy to change rules around mods etc. any time? so there's not much value in the p2p except they save money on hosting and lure us in with the promise of p2p = independence?