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Or split it.

by DelightOne 8y ago

Or split it.

anticensor 8y ago
Russian internet has already split itself off global one.
- cronix 8y ago
  Sure, it's a logical move, just like having their own GPS system. It's fairly established the NSA has everything tapped and collecting/storing all traffic. The majority of the internet traffic still flows through the US at some point as well. Why would any nation-state logically settle for that, especially adversarial ones?
  - wil421 8y ago
    Russia isn’t doing this just because they believe an agency is watching them. It’s more about censorship and controlling the Russian people than spying. Same with China.
  - AnabeeKnox 8y ago
    "It's fairly established the NSA has everything tapped and collecting/storing all traffic." That's nonsense though. Even a basic understanding of internet technology would show that such a thing is impossible.
    - cronix 8y ago
      Hmm. People who built it, or in charge of building it, seem to disagree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owk7vEEOvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owk7vEEOvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwW1JlGG4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwW1JlGG4o And I'm sure you've read Snowdens revelations, and lack of denials from the intelligence community, and Binney and Drake, among others, confirming, and what the gov't did to try to silence them.
      - strictnein 8y ago
        No NSA program has ever been "collecting/storing all traffic". Please, I understand you think there is one, but just start to think about the bandwidth and storage needed to do something like that. You're talking about Zettabytes worth of data each and every day. Just insane levels of data. Binney and Drake were upset because their Thinthread project was passed over and a much more advanced and expensive project was chosen (that later failed miserably). Hayden directly refutes them in his book "Playing to the Edge". I'm sure you won't take his statements as anything, but you said there was a "lack of denial" from the intelligence community, and his book is full of them.
      - pmlnr 8y ago
        Do some math, nobody can build storage fast enough to storage everything flowing through the internet.
  - rolph 8y ago
    I can say from experience this is not a collection of all traffic this is a trapping of traffic with properties of interest. even then the data collection is enormous and requires a person to wade through it all for a peice of data that is germaine to a present investigation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
  - stale2002 8y ago
    > why would any nation-state logically settle for that, especially adversarial ones? Because it is my computer, and I like being able to go on websites in other parts of the world, regardless of what the opinion of the government is?
- andrepd 8y ago
  Chinese internet would like a word with you.

Or split it.

anticensor 8y ago

Russian internet has already split itself off global one.

cronix 8y ago
Sure, it's a logical move, just like having their own GPS system. It's fairly established the NSA has everything tapped and collecting/storing all traffic. The majority of the internet traffic still flows through the US at some point as well. Why would any nation-state logically settle for that, especially adversarial ones?
- wil421 8y ago
  Russia isn’t doing this just because they believe an agency is watching them. It’s more about censorship and controlling the Russian people than spying. Same with China.
- AnabeeKnox 8y ago
  "It's fairly established the NSA has everything tapped and collecting/storing all traffic." That's nonsense though. Even a basic understanding of internet technology would show that such a thing is impossible.
  - cronix 8y ago
    Hmm. People who built it, or in charge of building it, seem to disagree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owk7vEEOvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owk7vEEOvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwW1JlGG4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwW1JlGG4o And I'm sure you've read Snowdens revelations, and lack of denials from the intelligence community, and Binney and Drake, among others, confirming, and what the gov't did to try to silence them.
    - strictnein 8y ago
      No NSA program has ever been "collecting/storing all traffic". Please, I understand you think there is one, but just start to think about the bandwidth and storage needed to do something like that. You're talking about Zettabytes worth of data each and every day. Just insane levels of data. Binney and Drake were upset because their Thinthread project was passed over and a much more advanced and expensive project was chosen (that later failed miserably). Hayden directly refutes them in his book "Playing to the Edge". I'm sure you won't take his statements as anything, but you said there was a "lack of denial" from the intelligence community, and his book is full of them.
    - pmlnr 8y ago
      Do some math, nobody can build storage fast enough to storage everything flowing through the internet.
- rolph 8y ago
  I can say from experience this is not a collection of all traffic this is a trapping of traffic with properties of interest. even then the data collection is enormous and requires a person to wade through it all for a peice of data that is germaine to a present investigation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
- stale2002 8y ago
  > why would any nation-state logically settle for that, especially adversarial ones? Because it is my computer, and I like being able to go on websites in other parts of the world, regardless of what the opinion of the government is?
andrepd 8y ago
Chinese internet would like a word with you.