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Tobacco Use Is Soaring Among US Kids, Driven by E-cigarettes

25 points by symisc_devel 8y ago

bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
Is there any data on mgs of nicotine versus use in the last 30 days? Are people using 0mg juice considered tobacco users by this study? From what I can see, they are.
- savethefuture 8y ago
  Out of personal curiosity why would someone vape with 0mg?
  - kabwj 8y ago
    Why would someone drink beer with no alcohol?
    - Waterluvian 8y ago
      I have a feeling that people who need the alcohol or nicotine might really struggle to grok this concept.
      - bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
        Surprisingly, as cliche as it sounds, there is a subset of those people that will enjoy these 0mg nicotine and no alcohol beers after overcoming their addiction because they simply like the taste.
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
    Just anecdata, but I have vaped 0mg nicotine while helping a friend decide what flavors to buy in bulk while at a vaping convention. All the juice makers have it in stock. Whether that's because there's actually demand or if that's a best practice or legal cushion is another question.
  - forthispurpose 8y ago
    because smoking addiction is largely psychological smoking a 0mg e-cig is as pleasing as smoking an e-cig loaded with nicotine. Speaking from personal experience of smoking over 10 years. Quit at some point for a few years, found out about e-cigs, made some 0mg juice myself, enjoyed it. Burned a few e-cigs and eventually bounced back to regular cigarettes. Smoked for a few years, then quit for good. The pleasure of a cigarette is not in the effect that nicotine has, but more in the ritual, watching the smoke coming out your mouth, the burning sensation, the deeper inhalation.
  - MaxLeiter 8y ago
    Quitting
  - idDriven 8y ago
    Juul doesn't really create enough vapor to have a distinct flavor. If you do sub-ohm or use better quality devices that create more vapor you get amazing flavor as well. This can very well approximate the flavors of most candy and dessert products, along with satisfying that hand to mouth urge (Freud would say I have an oral fixation). I switched from traditional fags to e-cigs a decade ago and there are quite a few diabetics on the ecig forums who use ecigs, instead of for nic replacement as a sugary dessert replacement with success.
    - bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
      From your use of vocabulary, I'm guessing you're from the UK as opposed to the valley?
      - idDriven 8y ago
        Oops sorry that should have been traditional analogue cigs. American native here, not to be confused with Elizabeth Warren who is Native American.
  - vertex-four 8y ago
    For me, it’s an alternative to snacking. It allows me to have very sweet flavours without consuming overly sugary food, and so abate a craving. I also occasionally (once a month or so?) use 1.5mg nicotine juices for the high.
glitch 8y ago
Note well: "tobacco use" is a umbrella term that includes e-cigarette use (with nicotine), since the nicotine in vape juice is derived from tobacco plants. Also note: "combustible tobacco product use" declined. "Among high school students, during 2011–2018, no significant trend in the reported use of any tobacco product overall was observed (Figure 2). However, changes were observed for individual tobacco products over this period. A significant nonlinear increase in current e-cigarette use occurred from 2011 (1.5%) to 2018 (20.8%). During 2011–2018, significant linear declines in combustible tobacco product use (from 21.8% to 13.9%) and ≥2 tobacco product use (from 12.0% to 11.3%) occurred; by product type, significant linear declines occurred for cigars (from 11.6% to 7.6%), smokeless tobacco (from 7.9% to 5.9%), and pipe tobacco (from 4.0% to 1.1%). A significant nonlinear decline was observed for cigarettes (from 15.8% to 8.1%). A significant nonlinear change during 2011–2018 was observed for hookahs (from 4.1% to 4.1%). Among middle school students, no significant change in use of any tobacco product overall occurred during 2011–2018 (Figure 3). However, changes for individual tobacco products were observed. A significant nonlinear increase in e-cigarette use occurred (from 0.6% to 4.9%) during 2011–2018. A significant linear decline was observed for combustible tobacco product use (from 6.4% to 3.3%), ≥2 tobacco products use (from 3.8% to 2.4%), cigarettes (from 4.3% to 1.8%), cigars (from 3.5% to 1.6%), smokeless tobacco (from 2.7% to 1.8%), and pipe tobacco (from 2.2% to 0.3%); a significant nonlinear change occurred for hookah smoking (from 1.0% to 1.2%)." — https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6806e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6806e1.htm
- jondwillis 8y ago
  Yeah, seems like a moral panic to me. If we smoked coffee, it’d probably be carcinogenic, that doesn’t mean that consuming it otherwise is an “epidemic.”
  - sosilkj 8y ago
    actually, nicotine and caffeine are completely different, there is no comparison in terms of health risk profiles of each.
    - 8y ago
metafizikal 8y ago
Yup, kids love their Juul. Smoking is uncool, but Juuling is what all the kids are doing. Arguably it's creating worse nicotine addicts that cigarettes ever did. Interesting article from a short while back on the topic: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/14/the-promise-of-vaping-and-the-rise-of-juul https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/14/the-promise-of...
- awakeasleep 8y ago
  As someone who has been addicted to both, I'll say that the Juul wasn't as big a psychological torment as cigarettes. With the Juul, you can almost honestly say you're enjoying the experience. With a cigarette your mouth taste terrible, it burns your throat/sinuses, and you only get the nicotine 'high' which is, at best, an abatement of nicotine withdrawal symptoms. So when I kept smoking cigarettes "against my will" it was really confusing and maddening.

25 points by symisc_devel 8y ago

Is there any data on mgs of nicotine versus use in the last 30 days? Are people using 0mg juice considered tobacco users by this study? From what I can see, they are.

savethefuture 8y ago
Out of personal curiosity why would someone vape with 0mg?
- kabwj 8y ago
  Why would someone drink beer with no alcohol?
  - Waterluvian 8y ago
    I have a feeling that people who need the alcohol or nicotine might really struggle to grok this concept.
    - bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
      Surprisingly, as cliche as it sounds, there is a subset of those people that will enjoy these 0mg nicotine and no alcohol beers after overcoming their addiction because they simply like the taste.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
  Just anecdata, but I have vaped 0mg nicotine while helping a friend decide what flavors to buy in bulk while at a vaping convention. All the juice makers have it in stock. Whether that's because there's actually demand or if that's a best practice or legal cushion is another question.
- forthispurpose 8y ago
  because smoking addiction is largely psychological smoking a 0mg e-cig is as pleasing as smoking an e-cig loaded with nicotine. Speaking from personal experience of smoking over 10 years. Quit at some point for a few years, found out about e-cigs, made some 0mg juice myself, enjoyed it. Burned a few e-cigs and eventually bounced back to regular cigarettes. Smoked for a few years, then quit for good. The pleasure of a cigarette is not in the effect that nicotine has, but more in the ritual, watching the smoke coming out your mouth, the burning sensation, the deeper inhalation.
- MaxLeiter 8y ago
  Quitting
- idDriven 8y ago
  Juul doesn't really create enough vapor to have a distinct flavor. If you do sub-ohm or use better quality devices that create more vapor you get amazing flavor as well. This can very well approximate the flavors of most candy and dessert products, along with satisfying that hand to mouth urge (Freud would say I have an oral fixation). I switched from traditional fags to e-cigs a decade ago and there are quite a few diabetics on the ecig forums who use ecigs, instead of for nic replacement as a sugary dessert replacement with success.
  - bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
    From your use of vocabulary, I'm guessing you're from the UK as opposed to the valley?
    - idDriven 8y ago
      Oops sorry that should have been traditional analogue cigs. American native here, not to be confused with Elizabeth Warren who is Native American.
- vertex-four 8y ago
  For me, it’s an alternative to snacking. It allows me to have very sweet flavours without consuming overly sugary food, and so abate a craving. I also occasionally (once a month or so?) use 1.5mg nicotine juices for the high.

glitch 8y ago

Note well: "tobacco use" is a umbrella term that includes e-cigarette use (with nicotine), since the nicotine in vape juice is derived from tobacco plants. Also note: "combustible tobacco product use" declined. "Among high school students, during 2011–2018, no significant trend in the reported use of any tobacco product overall was observed (Figure 2). However, changes were observed for individual tobacco products over this period. A significant nonlinear increase in current e-cigarette use occurred from 2011 (1.5%) to 2018 (20.8%). During 2011–2018, significant linear declines in combustible tobacco product use (from 21.8% to 13.9%) and ≥2 tobacco product use (from 12.0% to 11.3%) occurred; by product type, significant linear declines occurred for cigars (from 11.6% to 7.6%), smokeless tobacco (from 7.9% to 5.9%), and pipe tobacco (from 4.0% to 1.1%). A significant nonlinear decline was observed for cigarettes (from 15.8% to 8.1%). A significant nonlinear change during 2011–2018 was observed for hookahs (from 4.1% to 4.1%). Among middle school students, no significant change in use of any tobacco product overall occurred during 2011–2018 (Figure 3). However, changes for individual tobacco products were observed. A significant nonlinear increase in e-cigarette use occurred (from 0.6% to 4.9%) during 2011–2018. A significant linear decline was observed for combustible tobacco product use (from 6.4% to 3.3%), ≥2 tobacco products use (from 3.8% to 2.4%), cigarettes (from 4.3% to 1.8%), cigars (from 3.5% to 1.6%), smokeless tobacco (from 2.7% to 1.8%), and pipe tobacco (from 2.2% to 0.3%); a significant nonlinear change occurred for hookah smoking (from 1.0% to 1.2%)." — https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6806e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6806e1.htm

jondwillis 8y ago
Yeah, seems like a moral panic to me. If we smoked coffee, it’d probably be carcinogenic, that doesn’t mean that consuming it otherwise is an “epidemic.”
- sosilkj 8y ago
  actually, nicotine and caffeine are completely different, there is no comparison in terms of health risk profiles of each.
  - 8y ago

metafizikal 8y ago

Yup, kids love their Juul. Smoking is uncool, but Juuling is what all the kids are doing. Arguably it's creating worse nicotine addicts that cigarettes ever did. Interesting article from a short while back on the topic: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/14/the-promise-of-vaping-and-the-rise-of-juul https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/14/the-promise-of...

awakeasleep 8y ago
As someone who has been addicted to both, I'll say that the Juul wasn't as big a psychological torment as cigarettes. With the Juul, you can almost honestly say you're enjoying the experience. With a cigarette your mouth taste terrible, it burns your throat/sinuses, and you only get the nicotine 'high' which is, at best, an abatement of nicotine withdrawal symptoms. So when I kept smoking cigarettes "against my will" it was really confusing and maddening.