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Not if you believe Jordan and Mikaela Peterson...https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/the-peterson-family-meat-cleanse/567613/ https://www.theatla

Not if you believe Jordan and Mikaela Peterson...https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/the-peterson-family-meat-cleanse/567613/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/the-peter...

hirundo 8y ago
Neither of them recommend their diet for the general public. They think it works for themselves because of their particular auto-immune issues.
- dawhizkid 8y ago
  I don't think that's true. It's not that they don't recommend the diet, it's that they are very careful to say that it works for them and that they have no evidence or expertise to say if it will work for someone else. The auto-immune benefit was just one of many benefits they claimed. Both also suffered from depression and they said those symptoms went away as well.
fucking_tragedy 8y ago
There's no evidence that either of them follow their "all beef diet", but there's ample evidence that they charge $120+/hr for consultations based on this diet[1]. [1] https://mikhailapeterson.com/consultations/ https://mikhailapeterson.com/consultations/
sridca 8y ago
It is pathetic that HN childishly downvotes you instead of engaging in a fruitful discussion. For an unbiased review of foods, go here: http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/foods/ http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/foods/
- astura 8y ago
  Jordon Peterson claims drinking a glass of apple cider caused him to not be able to sleep for 25 days straight and his daughter claimed that putting pepper on a steak caused joint pain, acne and anxiety for three weeks. But she can drink voldka and bourbon. That sort of batshit crazy magical thinking isn't worth discussing. Period. The article the GP posted has the money quote: >The idea that alcohol, one of the most well-documented toxic substances, is among the few things that Peterson’s body will tolerate may be illuminating. It implies that when it comes to dieting, the inherent properties of the substances ingested can be less important than the eater’s conceptualizations of them—as either tolerable or intolerable, good or bad. What’s actually therapeutic may be the act of elimination itself.
  - geowwy 8y ago
    It's not too crazy to think a mono-diet of meat might have some therapeutic effects. A lot of people claim it's helped them: https://meatheals.com/ https://meatheals.com/
    - sridca 8y ago
      HN cares more about dogmatic beliefs than factual reports. No wonder you are being downvoted.
      - fucking_tragedy 8y ago
        Where are the facts, then? We have two people who claim to follow an all-beef diet, and built a business around giving advice to people regarding their diet. Similarly, breatharians make claims about their diet and built businesses around giving advice to people regarding their diet. Both the Petersons and breatharians make huge claims about their purported diet, but don't have the evidence to back their claims up. There isn't even evidence that the Petersons follow their own diet advice. There are only claims and consultation fees.
        astura 8y ago
        Even if an all beef diet had amazing health benefits, it's still bat shit insane magical thinking to claim that a glass of apple cider makes you unable to sleep for 25 days straight. Not hyperbole, he claimed it literally. Assuming it's even possible to not sleep for 25 days. That's /r/thatHappened material. For another example of the same sort of outrageous obviously false claims (similar to breatharianism) see the "fasting girls." (One of which died of starvation while being monitored) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_girl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_girl
        sridca 8y ago
        > Where are the [factual reports], then? Here http://meatheals.com/ http://meatheals.com/ and of course those of Petersons > There isn't even evidence that the Petersons follow their own diet advice. There are only claims and consultation fees. What they do to earn their living is irrelevant. Including your convenient disbelief (in the name of "evidence") of their factual reports. Unlike you, I take what people say with face value in order to establish a prima facie case -- there is no need to believe or disbelieve. Had I listened to the Internet cynics like you I would not have resolved my own chronic condition.

hirundo 8y ago

Neither of them recommend their diet for the general public. They think it works for themselves because of their particular auto-immune issues.

dawhizkid 8y ago
I don't think that's true. It's not that they don't recommend the diet, it's that they are very careful to say that it works for them and that they have no evidence or expertise to say if it will work for someone else. The auto-immune benefit was just one of many benefits they claimed. Both also suffered from depression and they said those symptoms went away as well.

fucking_tragedy 8y ago

There's no evidence that either of them follow their "all beef diet", but there's ample evidence that they charge $120+/hr for consultations based on this diet[1]. [1] https://mikhailapeterson.com/consultations/ https://mikhailapeterson.com/consultations/

sridca 8y ago

It is pathetic that HN childishly downvotes you instead of engaging in a fruitful discussion. For an unbiased review of foods, go here: http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/foods/ http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/foods/

astura 8y ago
Jordon Peterson claims drinking a glass of apple cider caused him to not be able to sleep for 25 days straight and his daughter claimed that putting pepper on a steak caused joint pain, acne and anxiety for three weeks. But she can drink voldka and bourbon. That sort of batshit crazy magical thinking isn't worth discussing. Period. The article the GP posted has the money quote: >The idea that alcohol, one of the most well-documented toxic substances, is among the few things that Peterson’s body will tolerate may be illuminating. It implies that when it comes to dieting, the inherent properties of the substances ingested can be less important than the eater’s conceptualizations of them—as either tolerable or intolerable, good or bad. What’s actually therapeutic may be the act of elimination itself.
- geowwy 8y ago
  It's not too crazy to think a mono-diet of meat might have some therapeutic effects. A lot of people claim it's helped them: https://meatheals.com/ https://meatheals.com/
  - sridca 8y ago
    HN cares more about dogmatic beliefs than factual reports. No wonder you are being downvoted.
    - fucking_tragedy 8y ago
      Where are the facts, then? We have two people who claim to follow an all-beef diet, and built a business around giving advice to people regarding their diet. Similarly, breatharians make claims about their diet and built businesses around giving advice to people regarding their diet. Both the Petersons and breatharians make huge claims about their purported diet, but don't have the evidence to back their claims up. There isn't even evidence that the Petersons follow their own diet advice. There are only claims and consultation fees.
      - astura 8y ago
        Even if an all beef diet had amazing health benefits, it's still bat shit insane magical thinking to claim that a glass of apple cider makes you unable to sleep for 25 days straight. Not hyperbole, he claimed it literally. Assuming it's even possible to not sleep for 25 days. That's /r/thatHappened material. For another example of the same sort of outrageous obviously false claims (similar to breatharianism) see the "fasting girls." (One of which died of starvation while being monitored) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_girl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_girl
      - sridca 8y ago
        > Where are the [factual reports], then? Here http://meatheals.com/ http://meatheals.com/ and of course those of Petersons > There isn't even evidence that the Petersons follow their own diet advice. There are only claims and consultation fees. What they do to earn their living is irrelevant. Including your convenient disbelief (in the name of "evidence") of their factual reports. Unlike you, I take what people say with face value in order to establish a prima facie case -- there is no need to believe or disbelieve. Had I listened to the Internet cynics like you I would not have resolved my own chronic condition.