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>Frankly, Democrats are being pulled to the left by the progressives and Republicans went hard right years ago with the tea party The democrats have moved furt

>Frankly, Democrats are being pulled to the left by the progressives and Republicans went hard right years ago with the tea party The democrats have moved further left than republicans have moved right since 1994/2000: http://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/ http://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarizat... What's interesting is that most democrats want a more moderate party and most republicans want a more right/conservative party: https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2019/01/gallup-poll-majority-of-democrats-want-more-moderate-party/ https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2019/01/gallup-poll-... Interestingly, the GOP probably contains the conservative and right wing impulses of the base. And it certainly feels that way, among my friends, we hate that illegal aliens are entitled to health care at ERs. I want to see their countries billed for the care / or I want to see the illegals dumped at the embassy rather than hooked up to medicine. I'm certainly not going to get my wish granted by the GOP. However, should the party fail, there's a chance I could get the representation I want.

sneakernets 8y ago
I really think "The illegals" needs to be erased from the discourse. Unless they have a distinct species moniker, they're still human beings located in the wrong place politically (in the geographical sense).
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  And rapists are just humans that would up with the body in the wrong place? Sorry man, I don't buy the "words can hurt" argument for people who for noble reasons or not break the law. People who overstay Visas or sneak across boarders, are breaking the law. They are illegally existing someplace they shouldn't be according to the laws of that land. I fully support your rights to argue for open borders. I'll vote against that, but I'll support your 1A to petition the government.
  - meko 8y ago
    You don't think language has an impact on perception? You think the Nazi effort to dehumanize jews with rhetoric didn't work? What a simple world you must live in.
    - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
      It'll only took you one post to get to Nazis.
      - sctb 8y ago
        Please stop.
- crowdpleaser 8y ago
  There's a simple solution - legalize everything and see how it pans out.
  - sneakernets 8y ago
    You'll just end up with Burning Man.
    - crowdpleaser 8y ago
      Probably not. There's an invisible order that underpins burning man - the United States' rule of law. If acts at burning man didn't invite the scrutiny of US Law Enforcement, it'd be a very different place. 'But there are drugs at burning man' - if it were truly a land onto its own, they'd be synthesizing the drugs at burning man.
rhcom2 8y ago
> I want to see the illegals dumped at the embassy rather than hooked up to medicine. That is a horrible, near sociopathic, line of thinking. You seem to have gotten to a point where you can't even recognize illegal immigrants as human beings.
- crowdpleaser 8y ago
  I don't see it as any more or less sociopathic than saying "you need to pay for these people's medicine or else I'll sic the authorities on you". If I saw illegals as non-human, I'd advocate for the local DNR to hand out hunting permits for illegals. Don't you see my humanity? I bust my ass to earn my keep, I don't demand access to things others have, if that attitude were reciprocated and people took care of themselves, their livelihood wouldn't depend on my opinion of them. As long as you coerce others to provide for those who are unwilling to do so for themselves, you're going to have this tension. My borders my choice. If I can't advocate for my hard work and sacrifices to be invested as I see fit, what autonomy do I have? Do you tell women they have to spread their legs for the less fortunate or else they're sociopaths?
  - rhcom2 8y ago
    You can see people as less than human without thinking it is okay for you to hunt them as animals. Advocating to let people die, instead of treat them, because they aren't here legally is putting their immigration status above them as a person and to me absolutely lessening their humanity. If someone is hurt and comes to me for help, I don't ask to see their papers.
    - crowdpleaser 8y ago
      >You can see people as less than human without thinking it is okay for you to hunt them as animals. Please keep reading my mind - why do I think this way? What status do I think illegals have if I want to treat them better than animals but worse than fellow citizens? >Advocating to let people die, instead of treat them, because they aren't here illegal is putting their immigration status above them as a person and to me absolutely lessening their humanity. Then why don't you advocate for a voluntary system to take care of illegals rather than tell me I'm a sociopath for exercising challenging but important fiscal discipline? For the record I'd be fine treating illegals if someone else paid for it voluntarily - billionaire philanthropists, DSA chapters, the countries that these people remit their earnings to, etc. I'm not saying they don't deserve health care, I'm saying that I don't want to pay for it and I'd rather they suffer than I do. Please address: My borders my choice. If I can't advocate for my hard work and sacrifices to be invested as I see fit, what autonomy do I have? Do you tell women they have to spread their legs for the less fortunate or else they're sociopaths?

sneakernets 8y ago

I really think "The illegals" needs to be erased from the discourse. Unless they have a distinct species moniker, they're still human beings located in the wrong place politically (in the geographical sense).

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
And rapists are just humans that would up with the body in the wrong place? Sorry man, I don't buy the "words can hurt" argument for people who for noble reasons or not break the law. People who overstay Visas or sneak across boarders, are breaking the law. They are illegally existing someplace they shouldn't be according to the laws of that land. I fully support your rights to argue for open borders. I'll vote against that, but I'll support your 1A to petition the government.
- meko 8y ago
  You don't think language has an impact on perception? You think the Nazi effort to dehumanize jews with rhetoric didn't work? What a simple world you must live in.
  - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
    It'll only took you one post to get to Nazis.
    - sctb 8y ago
      Please stop.
crowdpleaser 8y ago
There's a simple solution - legalize everything and see how it pans out.
- sneakernets 8y ago
  You'll just end up with Burning Man.
  - crowdpleaser 8y ago
    Probably not. There's an invisible order that underpins burning man - the United States' rule of law. If acts at burning man didn't invite the scrutiny of US Law Enforcement, it'd be a very different place. 'But there are drugs at burning man' - if it were truly a land onto its own, they'd be synthesizing the drugs at burning man.

rhcom2 8y ago

> I want to see the illegals dumped at the embassy rather than hooked up to medicine. That is a horrible, near sociopathic, line of thinking. You seem to have gotten to a point where you can't even recognize illegal immigrants as human beings.

crowdpleaser 8y ago
I don't see it as any more or less sociopathic than saying "you need to pay for these people's medicine or else I'll sic the authorities on you". If I saw illegals as non-human, I'd advocate for the local DNR to hand out hunting permits for illegals. Don't you see my humanity? I bust my ass to earn my keep, I don't demand access to things others have, if that attitude were reciprocated and people took care of themselves, their livelihood wouldn't depend on my opinion of them. As long as you coerce others to provide for those who are unwilling to do so for themselves, you're going to have this tension. My borders my choice. If I can't advocate for my hard work and sacrifices to be invested as I see fit, what autonomy do I have? Do you tell women they have to spread their legs for the less fortunate or else they're sociopaths?
- rhcom2 8y ago
  You can see people as less than human without thinking it is okay for you to hunt them as animals. Advocating to let people die, instead of treat them, because they aren't here legally is putting their immigration status above them as a person and to me absolutely lessening their humanity. If someone is hurt and comes to me for help, I don't ask to see their papers.
  - crowdpleaser 8y ago
    >You can see people as less than human without thinking it is okay for you to hunt them as animals. Please keep reading my mind - why do I think this way? What status do I think illegals have if I want to treat them better than animals but worse than fellow citizens? >Advocating to let people die, instead of treat them, because they aren't here illegal is putting their immigration status above them as a person and to me absolutely lessening their humanity. Then why don't you advocate for a voluntary system to take care of illegals rather than tell me I'm a sociopath for exercising challenging but important fiscal discipline? For the record I'd be fine treating illegals if someone else paid for it voluntarily - billionaire philanthropists, DSA chapters, the countries that these people remit their earnings to, etc. I'm not saying they don't deserve health care, I'm saying that I don't want to pay for it and I'd rather they suffer than I do. Please address: My borders my choice. If I can't advocate for my hard work and sacrifices to be invested as I see fit, what autonomy do I have? Do you tell women they have to spread their legs for the less fortunate or else they're sociopaths?