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I do mind them promoting their app, it’s a horrible app and they’ve continually ruined their website. The only way I can stand to use reddit anymore is through

I do mind them promoting their app, it’s a horrible app and they’ve continually ruined their website. The only way I can stand to use reddit anymore is through Narwhal, at least until they kill their 3rd party apps API.

IggleSniggle 8y ago
It’s funny, the web app used to be really good. Much better than the native app. Since then they have been making the web app increasingly worse over time, actively degrading its functionality and pleasantness to use.
- rjbwork 8y ago
  You can just permanently set your account to use the old layout/view. I've noticed little to no changes other than user profiles, which are the "old new" ones. On my phone I use reddit is fun. I have no issues at all with reddit atm in terms of them fucking with my experience.
  - lostlogin 8y ago
    I agree, but it’s jarring going between devices (phone, iPad and computer) and the multiple interfaces. Then the repeated niggling to use the app. If I haven’t after several years, the chances are I don’t want to.
    - rjbwork 8y ago
      I am never nagged. I use RES on desktop to modify a few things, among others a dark theme. I use the RIF dark theme. Works pretty similarly.
  - TylerE 8y ago
    "permenantly", except for the bug where about 1 pageview in 10 it still redirects you to new reddit. I think it's something related to improperly configured (server-side) caching or something.
    - rjbwork 8y ago
      I've never seen that happen. I only see it when I'm logged out on computer.
      - twothumbsup 8y ago
        It happens to me frequently. Sometimes they just log me out for no reason.
        twelvechairs 8y ago
        Its been an accepted 'bug' for a long time but they never seem to properly be able to fix it https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/adxv7b https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/adxv7b
    - zaarn 8y ago
      I just use one of the many addons that redirect you to old.reddit.com.
  - WalterSear 8y ago
    "permanently" for Conde Naste defined values of permanence. Legacy mode will be phased out as soon as it has served their purpose of smoothing over the transition. Or, it will be allowed to die of neglect, slowly becoming less and less compatible with the site until fully unusable.
    - rjbwork 8y ago
      And that's fine. I absolutely can't stand the new layout, so if that happens I'll stop using it. Probably not good for their metrics for a 13 year user of the service to stop using it I'd guess. I don't even block ads on it. And I sometimes click them if they're relevant (which, lets face it, they are these days).
      - noir_lord 8y ago
        11 for me and what used to be 30-60 minutes a day (I like certain subreddits /r/programming /r/chess /r/<proglang> Etc.) is maybe 15 and not at all for days now. I miss old reddit, nothing else really fills the niche in a unified way.
        incongruity 8y ago
        So where do you go instead? Reddit and Facebook both have some hold for me because of niche communities that they both let me aggregate/monitor/interact with easily, without going to a myriad of websites. I really don’t want to have to do that - in some cases, I’m not even sure I can find comparable replacements.
        noir_lord 8y ago
        I fill that time by deliberately picking tech talks in a domain/language I know nothing about and watching them instead. It is interesting because it's related to what I do but different enough to be fascinating.
        RickSanchez2600 8y ago
  - code_duck 8y ago
    There are many situations where you are presented with the mobile or new desktop designs, such as being logged out. I have to sign in at least twice every time to use the old desktop version.
  - JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
    But for how long is the question. Once they remove that, my use will go way down or maybe stop entirely. I despise the new layout and it isn’t just a “doesn’t want to try something new” phase.
- epistasis 8y ago
  The degradation seems to directly correlate with the modern-feel of the page. I'm not sure if that's intentional. It seems that modern front end fashion is a huge step backwards from earlier fashions in web development.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    It's completely possible to have a "modern" page that is also nice to use; it's just that with Reddit modernness and horribleness have been conflated together and it seems like they go together.
    - cco 8y ago
      Can you cite a few? I'm generally of the same opinion to the comment you replied to but I'm always happy to be wrong.
      - Uupis 8y ago
        I don't know what exactly "modern" means here, but I think FastMail, Inoreader, and GitHub should count. All three have been fast and responsive. In particular, switching from Gmail to FastMail was a revelation. Random aside: I've long been very down on web tech, but those 3 have sort of reinvigorated my interest in web stuff.
    - rsynnott 8y ago
      Do you have any examples of this? Every 'modern' webapp I can think of has been an exercise in making it slower and more confusing than its old-fashioned predecessor. Especially slower. They're _so_ slow.
  - WalterSear 8y ago
    They are building camouflage for advertising.
  - andrepd 8y ago
    i.reddit.com. 2010 mobile app feel, blazing fast, light on resources. As it should be.
- StellarTabi 8y ago
  If you're interested in a web app (not downloaded). you could try Redusa. It's still early in development though. It's built in vuejs. https://github.com/redusa/redusa https://github.com/redusa/redusa
  - IggleSniggle 8y ago
    Thank you for understanding my needs! I will check that out.
- Ntrails 8y ago
  I actually gave up and switched to desktop on my phone - which is barely usable at all - and yet still somehow less infuriating than the shitty mobile site...
superfrank 8y ago
Yeah, I use their app on android and it's pretty bad. There's currently a bug that seems to get fixed and then reappear where if someone responds to your comment, you get an alert and when you click on the alert it takes you to the comment, but if the comment is too nested, it just takes you to the top of the thread. This makes responding to a comment in any thread with over 100 comments near impossible. Because of that, I'm using the web app currently and it's really annoying to be constantly pushed back toward a broken app.
- rodly 8y ago
  Hey there, we've got a fix coming for this, so sorry about that. Thanks for the feedback!
benbristow 8y ago
If their API is killed I think Reddit's done for. I wouldn't use it if I were forced to use the official app myself, sure many others wouldn't either. Folk would probably move over to something like voat.co
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  I expect people would mostly just use the mobile web site. And there would be a lot of noise. But I can't ever see myself going to somewhere like voat.
- sneakernets 8y ago
  You usually would move over to something better, not worse.
  - AsyncAwait 8y ago
    Yeah, Voat's not an appealing alternative. There's an ActivityPub-powered, federated link aggregator in the works[1], that could work out really well as each community could have their own rules and if you don't want to federate with a particular one, just block them. 1 - https://gitlab.com/mbajur/prismo https://gitlab.com/mbajur/prismo
    - noir_lord 8y ago
      Off topic but man do I like gitlabs current UI on iPad, not seen it for a while.
- deminature 8y ago
  Voat is appalling and revels in its terribleness. There has to be something better to migrate to.
  - rhizome 8y ago
    Reddit : Usenet :: Slack : IRC There will be other places for you to migrate to, as there have been for decades, if not an entire generation.
Avery3R 8y ago
old.reddit.com or reddit.com/.compact
gautamnarula 8y ago
I use a third party mobile client and am very happy with it, but I know it's only a matter of time (despite what they've said in the past) before they kill/rate limit/price the API in such a way to kill off all the third party clients.
wvenable 8y ago
They bought the best Reddit iOS app and then scrapped it. Although the 3rd party APIs still exist I imagine they will eventually disappear. It's already frustrating to view v.reddit content in 3rd party apps.
sedatk 8y ago
or until they buy out Narwhal.
shanehoban 8y ago
I refuse to use the new design with the same contempt as I refuse to pay for picking my seat on an aeroplane (P.S. Ryanair: my girlfriend is not happy about this... but at least I get some peace and quiet right? /s). I use Boost for Reddit (Android) and the old reddit style, and RES in my browser. I see why they are going towards the Instagram style route - people generally like what they are accustomed to; and I guess more people use Instagram than Reddit.

IggleSniggle 8y ago

It’s funny, the web app used to be really good. Much better than the native app. Since then they have been making the web app increasingly worse over time, actively degrading its functionality and pleasantness to use.

rjbwork 8y ago
You can just permanently set your account to use the old layout/view. I've noticed little to no changes other than user profiles, which are the "old new" ones. On my phone I use reddit is fun. I have no issues at all with reddit atm in terms of them fucking with my experience.
- lostlogin 8y ago
  I agree, but it’s jarring going between devices (phone, iPad and computer) and the multiple interfaces. Then the repeated niggling to use the app. If I haven’t after several years, the chances are I don’t want to.
  - rjbwork 8y ago
    I am never nagged. I use RES on desktop to modify a few things, among others a dark theme. I use the RIF dark theme. Works pretty similarly.
- TylerE 8y ago
  "permenantly", except for the bug where about 1 pageview in 10 it still redirects you to new reddit. I think it's something related to improperly configured (server-side) caching or something.
  - rjbwork 8y ago
    I've never seen that happen. I only see it when I'm logged out on computer.
    - twothumbsup 8y ago
      It happens to me frequently. Sometimes they just log me out for no reason.
      - twelvechairs 8y ago
        Its been an accepted 'bug' for a long time but they never seem to properly be able to fix it https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/adxv7b https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/adxv7b
  - zaarn 8y ago
    I just use one of the many addons that redirect you to old.reddit.com.
- WalterSear 8y ago
  "permanently" for Conde Naste defined values of permanence. Legacy mode will be phased out as soon as it has served their purpose of smoothing over the transition. Or, it will be allowed to die of neglect, slowly becoming less and less compatible with the site until fully unusable.
  - rjbwork 8y ago
    And that's fine. I absolutely can't stand the new layout, so if that happens I'll stop using it. Probably not good for their metrics for a 13 year user of the service to stop using it I'd guess. I don't even block ads on it. And I sometimes click them if they're relevant (which, lets face it, they are these days).
    - noir_lord 8y ago
      11 for me and what used to be 30-60 minutes a day (I like certain subreddits /r/programming /r/chess /r/<proglang> Etc.) is maybe 15 and not at all for days now. I miss old reddit, nothing else really fills the niche in a unified way.
      - incongruity 8y ago
        So where do you go instead? Reddit and Facebook both have some hold for me because of niche communities that they both let me aggregate/monitor/interact with easily, without going to a myriad of websites. I really don’t want to have to do that - in some cases, I’m not even sure I can find comparable replacements.
        noir_lord 8y ago
        I fill that time by deliberately picking tech talks in a domain/language I know nothing about and watching them instead. It is interesting because it's related to what I do but different enough to be fascinating.
        RickSanchez2600 8y ago
- code_duck 8y ago
  There are many situations where you are presented with the mobile or new desktop designs, such as being logged out. I have to sign in at least twice every time to use the old desktop version.
- JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
  But for how long is the question. Once they remove that, my use will go way down or maybe stop entirely. I despise the new layout and it isn’t just a “doesn’t want to try something new” phase.
epistasis 8y ago
The degradation seems to directly correlate with the modern-feel of the page. I'm not sure if that's intentional. It seems that modern front end fashion is a huge step backwards from earlier fashions in web development.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  It's completely possible to have a "modern" page that is also nice to use; it's just that with Reddit modernness and horribleness have been conflated together and it seems like they go together.
  - cco 8y ago
    Can you cite a few? I'm generally of the same opinion to the comment you replied to but I'm always happy to be wrong.
    - Uupis 8y ago
      I don't know what exactly "modern" means here, but I think FastMail, Inoreader, and GitHub should count. All three have been fast and responsive. In particular, switching from Gmail to FastMail was a revelation. Random aside: I've long been very down on web tech, but those 3 have sort of reinvigorated my interest in web stuff.
  - rsynnott 8y ago
    Do you have any examples of this? Every 'modern' webapp I can think of has been an exercise in making it slower and more confusing than its old-fashioned predecessor. Especially slower. They're _so_ slow.
- WalterSear 8y ago
  They are building camouflage for advertising.
- andrepd 8y ago
  i.reddit.com. 2010 mobile app feel, blazing fast, light on resources. As it should be.
StellarTabi 8y ago
If you're interested in a web app (not downloaded). you could try Redusa. It's still early in development though. It's built in vuejs. https://github.com/redusa/redusa https://github.com/redusa/redusa
- IggleSniggle 8y ago
  Thank you for understanding my needs! I will check that out.
Ntrails 8y ago
I actually gave up and switched to desktop on my phone - which is barely usable at all - and yet still somehow less infuriating than the shitty mobile site...

superfrank 8y ago

Yeah, I use their app on android and it's pretty bad. There's currently a bug that seems to get fixed and then reappear where if someone responds to your comment, you get an alert and when you click on the alert it takes you to the comment, but if the comment is too nested, it just takes you to the top of the thread. This makes responding to a comment in any thread with over 100 comments near impossible. Because of that, I'm using the web app currently and it's really annoying to be constantly pushed back toward a broken app.

rodly 8y ago
Hey there, we've got a fix coming for this, so sorry about that. Thanks for the feedback!

benbristow 8y ago

If their API is killed I think Reddit's done for. I wouldn't use it if I were forced to use the official app myself, sure many others wouldn't either. Folk would probably move over to something like voat.co

rootusrootus 8y ago
I expect people would mostly just use the mobile web site. And there would be a lot of noise. But I can't ever see myself going to somewhere like voat.
sneakernets 8y ago
You usually would move over to something better, not worse.
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  Yeah, Voat's not an appealing alternative. There's an ActivityPub-powered, federated link aggregator in the works[1], that could work out really well as each community could have their own rules and if you don't want to federate with a particular one, just block them. 1 - https://gitlab.com/mbajur/prismo https://gitlab.com/mbajur/prismo
  - noir_lord 8y ago
    Off topic but man do I like gitlabs current UI on iPad, not seen it for a while.
deminature 8y ago
Voat is appalling and revels in its terribleness. There has to be something better to migrate to.
- rhizome 8y ago
  Reddit : Usenet :: Slack : IRC There will be other places for you to migrate to, as there have been for decades, if not an entire generation.

Avery3R 8y ago

old.reddit.com or reddit.com/.compact

gautamnarula 8y ago

I use a third party mobile client and am very happy with it, but I know it's only a matter of time (despite what they've said in the past) before they kill/rate limit/price the API in such a way to kill off all the third party clients.

wvenable 8y ago

They bought the best Reddit iOS app and then scrapped it. Although the 3rd party APIs still exist I imagine they will eventually disappear. It's already frustrating to view v.reddit content in 3rd party apps.

sedatk 8y ago

or until they buy out Narwhal.

shanehoban 8y ago

I refuse to use the new design with the same contempt as I refuse to pay for picking my seat on an aeroplane (P.S. Ryanair: my girlfriend is not happy about this... but at least I get some peace and quiet right? /s). I use Boost for Reddit (Android) and the old reddit style, and RES in my browser. I see why they are going towards the Instagram style route - people generally like what they are accustomed to; and I guess more people use Instagram than Reddit.