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It's sad that the site doesn't work without javascript. We had this exact navigation working with iframes 20 years ago. And I could resize the TOC on the left b

by Asooka 8y ago

It's sad that the site doesn't work without javascript. We had this exact navigation working with iframes 20 years ago. And I could resize the TOC on the left back then.

cupofjoakim 8y ago
Hey, javascript is fundamental to web today, unlike 20 years ago. Even if a site like this definitely wouldn't need javascript since it's so simple, there really isn't much of a trade-of since less than one percent of all visitors are likely to have javascript disabled.
- mrspeaker 8y ago
  I disagree JavaScript is fundamental to the web - I'm a huge JavaScript fan (top 1% I'd say), and write it for my job... I've written a few books on it even... but I always use noscript when browsing the web: hackernews, reddit, twitter - can all operate fine without JavaScript. Dodgy third-party ad scripts/malware do need it, but I don't really want them running anyway. Yes, 20% of sites I load are either a blank page or "You need to enable JavaScript to run this app" (it's the new "An error has occurred"). If it's a friend's site, or something that obviously needs it - like a game, or art project - then I'll temporarily whitelist it. But if not, then hey, I just got a 20% productivity boost by saving some time on whatever it is that thinks it needs JavaScript!
  - x15 8y ago
    Most if not all ads can be blocked with an ad blocker like uBlock origin. I used uMatrix myself in the past (I also used NoScript a much longer while ago), but it requires too much time to cherry pick the remote hosts (usually CDNs) and files to allow.
- corebit 8y ago
  Hacker News works great without javascript. I browse with no javascript a large proportion of the time. The web is so refreshingly fast without all the scripts.
- zzzcpan 8y ago
  Authors own user-agent doesn't do javascript.
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zamadatix 8y ago
There is a way to make an iframe in the body of the page change by clicking the navigation bar in the main page without reloading the main page/navigation bar?
- thefreeman 8y ago
  yea you put a target on the anchor tag with the name of the iframe
  - tracker1 8y ago
    exactly, same as with a frame... I haven't done much with resizable iframes in a while, but I do remember that at least in the v5-v6 browser era that iframes wouldn't resize properly to match their containers without JS to handle the event, I'm unsure if this is still true, as I haven't really done anything with iframes in nearly a decade now. aside: used to use/implement something like ajax callbacks with hidden frames and dynamic form posts. Man, I love JS/Browsers today over pre-2016.
3xblah 8y ago
I was able to access all the content as either html or md. I could also download PDF and other formats. I am not using a javascript-enabled browser.

by Asooka 8y ago

It's sad that the site doesn't work without javascript. We had this exact navigation working with iframes 20 years ago. And I could resize the TOC on the left back then.

cupofjoakim 8y ago

Hey, javascript is fundamental to web today, unlike 20 years ago. Even if a site like this definitely wouldn't need javascript since it's so simple, there really isn't much of a trade-of since less than one percent of all visitors are likely to have javascript disabled.

mrspeaker 8y ago
I disagree JavaScript is fundamental to the web - I'm a huge JavaScript fan (top 1% I'd say), and write it for my job... I've written a few books on it even... but I always use noscript when browsing the web: hackernews, reddit, twitter - can all operate fine without JavaScript. Dodgy third-party ad scripts/malware do need it, but I don't really want them running anyway. Yes, 20% of sites I load are either a blank page or "You need to enable JavaScript to run this app" (it's the new "An error has occurred"). If it's a friend's site, or something that obviously needs it - like a game, or art project - then I'll temporarily whitelist it. But if not, then hey, I just got a 20% productivity boost by saving some time on whatever it is that thinks it needs JavaScript!
- x15 8y ago
  Most if not all ads can be blocked with an ad blocker like uBlock origin. I used uMatrix myself in the past (I also used NoScript a much longer while ago), but it requires too much time to cherry pick the remote hosts (usually CDNs) and files to allow.
corebit 8y ago
Hacker News works great without javascript. I browse with no javascript a large proportion of the time. The web is so refreshingly fast without all the scripts.
zzzcpan 8y ago
Authors own user-agent doesn't do javascript.

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zamadatix 8y ago

There is a way to make an iframe in the body of the page change by clicking the navigation bar in the main page without reloading the main page/navigation bar?

thefreeman 8y ago
yea you put a target on the anchor tag with the name of the iframe
- tracker1 8y ago
  exactly, same as with a frame... I haven't done much with resizable iframes in a while, but I do remember that at least in the v5-v6 browser era that iframes wouldn't resize properly to match their containers without JS to handle the event, I'm unsure if this is still true, as I haven't really done anything with iframes in nearly a decade now. aside: used to use/implement something like ajax callbacks with hidden frames and dynamic form posts. Man, I love JS/Browsers today over pre-2016.

3xblah 8y ago

I was able to access all the content as either html or md. I could also download PDF and other formats. I am not using a javascript-enabled browser.