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I hate to cheer on a crime, but I actually think this is a positive development. Fake copyright takedown claims are already used to chill speech, but it flies u

by paulgb 8y ago

I hate to cheer on a crime, but I actually think this is a positive development. Fake copyright takedown claims are already used to chill speech, but it flies under the radar so the process stays broken. If this type of ransom takes off, YouTube will be forced to actually address false takedowns.

shard972 8y ago
Or not, they will just protect the bigger channels that would get articles written about them and hurt their ad revenue. Everyone else though will just get the classic google cold shoulder.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Most probably yes. Google hasn't been friendly to his content makers for a while. They were nice before they had the monopoly. Now they don't care. That's why I really hate all those speeches about how it would be great if everybody used chrome. A lot of thing the privacy savy tech community predicted about Google 10 years ago arrived exactly as expected. And the reason is not that they are seers seing the future, but because it's always the same story with entities growing and getting power.
  - chii 8y ago
    YouTube has always had the monopoly - not on video distribution, as many mistakenly assume, but on monetization. Twitch has recently encroached on that front, and therefore YouTube Livestream was made. The real reason YouTube doesn't care about content creators is that they are trying to woo more mainstream media onto their platform. With the decline of ad revenue since the ad-pocalypse of 2015-ish, they are trying to change their platform to look like traditional media where big advertisers would pay for spots (the likes of Coke and Nike).
    - busterarm 8y ago
      YouTube tried to show me a 25 minute video today as a mid-video advertisement. The fuck.
      - dotancohen 8y ago
        I suspect that those 10+ minute advertisements are aimed at people who just leave Youtube open in a background tab playing music all day. 25 minutes seems to be a new record. Congratulations!
        kalleboo 8y ago
        I once got a 30 minute ad that was just a webinar for how to use some development tool. Very strange.
        DanBC 8y ago
        I've had a few, and that's not how I use Youtube. I did wonder if it was an experiemnt to see just how far they could push ad-tolerant people like me.
        dotancohen 8y ago
        The old adage about giving an inch definitely applies here.
      - justinclift 8y ago
        Use an Ad blocker. :)
        close04 8y ago
        Not on a TV for example. Even Pi Hole doesn't cut it since YouTube/Google do their best to use random URLs that are close to impossible to block entirely.
        busterarm 8y ago
    - sametmax 8y ago
      At the begining youtube didn't have monopoly on monetization either, since it didn't have any. People went to youtube to lure you on their own sites.
  - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
    >They were nice before they had the monopoly. Now they don't care. Google was never nice but it didn't matter before the monopoly. They would literally ban and shutdown all accounts based on automated 'strikes' but most users had other emails/search engines/maps/whatever. Now that Google has firmly entrenched itself, it's impossible to jump ship. Look at the other thread about Google Analytics and integration with Google Ads; its quite a difficult task to switch from GA
    - sametmax 8y ago
      Google had a stellar reputation during the first decade of their existence. Their were the paragon of all the geeks around the world: promoting freedom and openess, hacking and innovating. And when they bought youtube, they were very, very nice with content creators first. Bot were not banned. No detecting of your white noise video as a copyright material. The danger with you narative is to forget the evolution from underdog to leader. Because people need to learn this happens all the time, and they need to learn what it looks like.
- ThrustVectoring 8y ago
  It'll hurt the class divide even more. People without the cultural knowledge that you need to escalate to Twitter/PR or to Google's legal department (eg, certified letter to their process server explaining your possible legal case against the extortionist and demanding they preserve evidence) will be even further out of luck.
  - shard972 8y ago
    Cultural knowledge, or just working as a mainstream journo as jack has pretty much confirmed that they are the lifeblood in his eyes so they can't be banned. You only have to look how journos were not even being suspended for calling for the complete destruction of the maga kids. While if your a conservative, make one offensive joke about looks and your permabanned.
- antpls 8y ago
  I think the point made by paulgb is that it won't go unnoticed (it will accumulate records) which is a first step to fight an injustice
ikeboy 8y ago
YouTube is not supposed to address false complaints, or they lose safe harbor under DMCA. False complaints are meant to be responded to with a counter-notice.

by paulgb 8y ago

shard972 8y ago

Or not, they will just protect the bigger channels that would get articles written about them and hurt their ad revenue. Everyone else though will just get the classic google cold shoulder.

sametmax 8y ago
Most probably yes. Google hasn't been friendly to his content makers for a while. They were nice before they had the monopoly. Now they don't care. That's why I really hate all those speeches about how it would be great if everybody used chrome. A lot of thing the privacy savy tech community predicted about Google 10 years ago arrived exactly as expected. And the reason is not that they are seers seing the future, but because it's always the same story with entities growing and getting power.
- chii 8y ago
  YouTube has always had the monopoly - not on video distribution, as many mistakenly assume, but on monetization. Twitch has recently encroached on that front, and therefore YouTube Livestream was made. The real reason YouTube doesn't care about content creators is that they are trying to woo more mainstream media onto their platform. With the decline of ad revenue since the ad-pocalypse of 2015-ish, they are trying to change their platform to look like traditional media where big advertisers would pay for spots (the likes of Coke and Nike).
  - busterarm 8y ago
    YouTube tried to show me a 25 minute video today as a mid-video advertisement. The fuck.
    - dotancohen 8y ago
      I suspect that those 10+ minute advertisements are aimed at people who just leave Youtube open in a background tab playing music all day. 25 minutes seems to be a new record. Congratulations!
      - kalleboo 8y ago
        I once got a 30 minute ad that was just a webinar for how to use some development tool. Very strange.
      - DanBC 8y ago
        I've had a few, and that's not how I use Youtube. I did wonder if it was an experiemnt to see just how far they could push ad-tolerant people like me.
        dotancohen 8y ago
        The old adage about giving an inch definitely applies here.
    - justinclift 8y ago
      Use an Ad blocker. :)
      - close04 8y ago
        Not on a TV for example. Even Pi Hole doesn't cut it since YouTube/Google do their best to use random URLs that are close to impossible to block entirely.
        busterarm 8y ago
  - sametmax 8y ago
    At the begining youtube didn't have monopoly on monetization either, since it didn't have any. People went to youtube to lure you on their own sites.
- ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
  >They were nice before they had the monopoly. Now they don't care. Google was never nice but it didn't matter before the monopoly. They would literally ban and shutdown all accounts based on automated 'strikes' but most users had other emails/search engines/maps/whatever. Now that Google has firmly entrenched itself, it's impossible to jump ship. Look at the other thread about Google Analytics and integration with Google Ads; its quite a difficult task to switch from GA
  - sametmax 8y ago
    Google had a stellar reputation during the first decade of their existence. Their were the paragon of all the geeks around the world: promoting freedom and openess, hacking and innovating. And when they bought youtube, they were very, very nice with content creators first. Bot were not banned. No detecting of your white noise video as a copyright material. The danger with you narative is to forget the evolution from underdog to leader. Because people need to learn this happens all the time, and they need to learn what it looks like.
ThrustVectoring 8y ago
It'll hurt the class divide even more. People without the cultural knowledge that you need to escalate to Twitter/PR or to Google's legal department (eg, certified letter to their process server explaining your possible legal case against the extortionist and demanding they preserve evidence) will be even further out of luck.
- shard972 8y ago
  Cultural knowledge, or just working as a mainstream journo as jack has pretty much confirmed that they are the lifeblood in his eyes so they can't be banned. You only have to look how journos were not even being suspended for calling for the complete destruction of the maga kids. While if your a conservative, make one offensive joke about looks and your permabanned.
antpls 8y ago
I think the point made by paulgb is that it won't go unnoticed (it will accumulate records) which is a first step to fight an injustice

ikeboy 8y ago

YouTube is not supposed to address false complaints, or they lose safe harbor under DMCA. False complaints are meant to be responded to with a counter-notice.