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1) human contact 2) room and board When pensioners or just any adult prefers jail to freedom, it makes you think we failed something as a society.

moltar 8y ago
I kinda agree but it also depends on the jail. I imagine Japanese jails are nice, esp for small crimes. I’ve seen Nordik jails in a documentary and I’d totally pick that over many other places to live, if I was not able to afford living.
- devereaux 8y ago
  It's not just about being able to afford basic living conditions. If these people can't get enough human contact, we failed them. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to create meaningful interactions for the elderly. There's no reason whatsoever they should be isolated.
  - userulluipeste 8y ago
    "If these people can't get enough human contact, we failed them." These are adults, not children. Let's take responsibility for taking care of ourselves. There is no moral basis for blaming others if we individually fail at that (as long as others haven't done anything against us), as you imply. I also think we need more critique on gratuitous blaming/shaming. It does no good to allow abusive attitude like this, even when's addressed towards a diffuse target as the society at large.
- rfw 8y ago
  It really doesn't depend on the jail, at all. Having to be incarcerated to have a good livelihood is unforgivably disgusting.
  - dmos62 8y ago
    Some people seek a different kind of freedom, that that which is taken away by some jails, or maybe they don't seek freedom at all, rather comfort. Which is very sad and normal. I sometimes think that I'd find it therapeutic to stay in a fitting prison. Some maybe relevant characteristics of mine are that I often seek isolation, and my creative activities are fully isolated of any direct social contact.
- sosborn 8y ago
  The prisons aren’t that nice: https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/12/03/silent-screams https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/12/03/silent-screams
- peteretep 8y ago
  > I imagine Japanese jails are nice, esp for small crimes I did some Googling of this around the time we were in Lanta, and they sounded terrible
  - moltar 8y ago
    Stalker ...
- gammateam 8y ago
  #notAllNordikJails
userulluipeste 8y ago
"When pensioners or just any adult prefers jail to freedom, it makes you think we failed something as a society." I don't see any reason to take people like myself accountable for the current state of society I inherited from the now pensioner generation, so let me rephrase the last part: "it makes you think they failed something as a society."
- Aeolun 8y ago
  Why shouldn’t we hold ourselves responsible for the current state of society? What we inherited is done, we can’t change that any more. But we can certainly make tomorrow a little bit better than yesterday.
  - userulluipeste 8y ago
    I consider that I'll be liable to this kind of judgement after most of my potential and actions are in past's domain. For now we may be responsible for where we're taking the current state further on but not so much for what we have. What we have now is for the most part inherited, so we should thank the past generations for it, especially so when it's about casting blame for something affecting the said past generations, obviously!
calyth2018 8y ago
You'd think for the cost of actually jailing one of them for two years, they could give out a better pension and create programs for the elderly, and cover more for the same price.

moltar 8y ago

I kinda agree but it also depends on the jail. I imagine Japanese jails are nice, esp for small crimes. I’ve seen Nordik jails in a documentary and I’d totally pick that over many other places to live, if I was not able to afford living.

devereaux 8y ago
It's not just about being able to afford basic living conditions. If these people can't get enough human contact, we failed them. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to create meaningful interactions for the elderly. There's no reason whatsoever they should be isolated.
- userulluipeste 8y ago
  "If these people can't get enough human contact, we failed them." These are adults, not children. Let's take responsibility for taking care of ourselves. There is no moral basis for blaming others if we individually fail at that (as long as others haven't done anything against us), as you imply. I also think we need more critique on gratuitous blaming/shaming. It does no good to allow abusive attitude like this, even when's addressed towards a diffuse target as the society at large.
rfw 8y ago
It really doesn't depend on the jail, at all. Having to be incarcerated to have a good livelihood is unforgivably disgusting.
- dmos62 8y ago
  Some people seek a different kind of freedom, that that which is taken away by some jails, or maybe they don't seek freedom at all, rather comfort. Which is very sad and normal. I sometimes think that I'd find it therapeutic to stay in a fitting prison. Some maybe relevant characteristics of mine are that I often seek isolation, and my creative activities are fully isolated of any direct social contact.
sosborn 8y ago
The prisons aren’t that nice: https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/12/03/silent-screams https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/12/03/silent-screams
peteretep 8y ago
> I imagine Japanese jails are nice, esp for small crimes I did some Googling of this around the time we were in Lanta, and they sounded terrible
- moltar 8y ago
  Stalker ...
gammateam 8y ago
#notAllNordikJails

userulluipeste 8y ago

"When pensioners or just any adult prefers jail to freedom, it makes you think we failed something as a society." I don't see any reason to take people like myself accountable for the current state of society I inherited from the now pensioner generation, so let me rephrase the last part: "it makes you think they failed something as a society."

Aeolun 8y ago
Why shouldn’t we hold ourselves responsible for the current state of society? What we inherited is done, we can’t change that any more. But we can certainly make tomorrow a little bit better than yesterday.
- userulluipeste 8y ago
  I consider that I'll be liable to this kind of judgement after most of my potential and actions are in past's domain. For now we may be responsible for where we're taking the current state further on but not so much for what we have. What we have now is for the most part inherited, so we should thank the past generations for it, especially so when it's about casting blame for something affecting the said past generations, obviously!

calyth2018 8y ago

You'd think for the cost of actually jailing one of them for two years, they could give out a better pension and create programs for the elderly, and cover more for the same price.