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A great improvement would be to give them citizenship if they want it. The economic impact of immigrants is not under debate, however your examples are poor ch
by ones_and_zeros 8y ago
A great improvement would be to give them citizenship if they want it.
The economic impact of immigrants is not under debate, however your examples are poor choices as I don't think any of those people came to the US on an H1B visa. If anything it's an argument against H1B.
- joshe 8y agoYep, totally where I was going with that. One H1-B guy I worked with did in fact become a founder of a small successful firm, but that was after he got a green card. I think we've lost out on a few billion dollar startups and awesome inventions by locking people to the H1-B job they got hired for.
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- mc32 8y agoI’d say we reciprocate what their gov would do for our workers. Their gov makes easy for Americans, we make it easy for them. They make it hard on Americans trying to work in their country, we make it hard on them. Fair is fair.
- arcticbull 8y agoSee your argument is short sighted, as these people provide economic benefit, it’s in your interest to allow as many as you can in while the other countries aren’t interested in taking your best and brightest. It’s why Canada’s tech sector stands to gain hugely while America squanders its lead. Canada’s letting in anyone smart and technical and the US is telling them no. What were arguing for is being unfair in America’s favor.
- mc32 8y agoCountries should do what makes sense for them. Canada is behind, they want to jump start their tech sector. They’re not a challenge to the US, China, Japan or even Russia. So good on them. We have a need for some specialists and we have a need for many low skills laborers. We need a system to evaluate need, address it appropriately and manage the foreign workforce to the advantage of Americans. Panama is free to invite all the high skilled labor if they want and become a tech power too. Let them. I encourage it.
- arcticbull 8y agoDon’t you want America to stay ahead? I’m getting dizzy from all these moving goalposts.
- mc32 8y agoCanada is just about a tenth of our pop. Worrying about them is like worrying about Japan taking over the world in 1990. It’s not possible due to population realities. Let them succeed a little.
- arcticbull 8y agoThis is the strangest anti-immigration stance I’ve ever heard: don’t let them in so the small countries can win a round or two. I mean, ok, you win this one? Maybe this is what being tired of winning looks like ;)
- myegorov 8y agoI don't know about what's in America's favor. I know for a fact that I would not willingly compete with all software developers in a global marketplace. I'd lose my big4 job in a split second. Canada's tech sector may stand to gain, but I'd lose half my real income if I were to relocate to a sister office across the border. So much for progressive visa policy.
- grad_ml 8y agoGiven the choice, that half the salary would still seem attractive? Isn't it. Now being in same time zone, closer to US SV, native s/w engineers would have to compete fiercely. I wonder, how would folks react over competition with Canadian tech industry.
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoH1B's are immigrant visas, they terminate in greencards after one renewal. The only problem is that a few countries have long lines (India, China, Philippines) on how many greencards can be granted this way per year. That should be done away with.
- vilhelm_s 8y agoThere is nothing in the H1B that entitles you to a green card. You can only renew the H1B once, so after that you need to either somehow get a green card or leave the U.S.
- lloydde 8y agoAlthough the previous comment is very incorrect, this information is also not correct. The greencard process is a multi step, often many year process. If you are from a country with per country limits you can be approved for a green card, which will allow your H1B to be renewed indefinitely, but you still have the alien conditions including needing to maintain the same/similar employment.
- what_ever 8y agoThey don't "terminate" in GC but rest of your comment is correct.
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoThey terminate in a GC or you go home. Only one renewal, not like the work visa I had in China that could be renewed indefinitely with no path to permanent residency.
- scarejunba 8y agoThis is false. Once you're past a certain point in the GC process, you will renew your status each year.
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- godelmachine 8y ago>>A great improvement would be to give them citizenship if they want it. All H1B holders are more than eager to become citizens and currently there is already a pathway defined but the system is a nightmare. Especially countries like India which are enormously backlogged.
- jperras 8y agoH-1B visas fall under the doctrine of dual intent, though, so isn't that already the case? Having the H-1B does not preclude someone from seeking out a green card. Or am I misunderstanding your first statement?
- ones_and_zeros 8y agoYou are. If they are skilled, lawful and desire to become citizens they should be given a green card after 1 year on the spot.
- refurb 8y agoI don't think any of those people came to the US on an H1B visa H1-B is one of the main ways people get a green card and citizenship since you can have immigrant intent on H1-B, something you can't on a lot of other visas.
- bluedino 8y agoIt’s like saying some retaurants are started by immigrants so don’t complain that every kitchen is staffed by undocumented workers