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This is probably something you should ask the person who's desperate enough to need that $20, than to decide for them from your point of reference.

DoctorOetker 8y ago
nobody is judging the desperate person, we are judging the net effect of the rest of sociiety on them. it's provably affordable to give everyone the average rent of the world which covers housing (rent of buildings), food (rent of farmland), energy (rent of space used for solar panels, windmills, ...), natural resources (rent of mines).
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joshstrange 8y ago
I'm not attacking them for taking it, I harbor no ill will toward either group #1 or #2 of my original comment. I'm asking if we are ok with this being necessary in the first place. I'm not ok with it.
- anonymous5133 8y ago
  I have the app installed on my phone. I have it installed because I want the $20 amazon. I don't know if I really "need" the $20 amazon but it is 100% passive once it is installed. You literally need to do nothing. Every month they send you $20. I would not uninstall it even given the privacy concerns. If you guys are so concerned about it then create something that puts cash in my pocket. I'll gladly run whatever app you want on my phone if you pay me.
  - matt4077 8y ago
    Now you actually do make me have ill will toward #2. Enjoy your $20. A free lunch/month, right? Edit: and now they shut it down. You can thank us privacy advocates later.
peteretep 8y ago
Perhaps. I notice in most societies we say there are all sorts of things that you can’t do for money with your own time and body, however desperate you may be. Selling your organs and selling sex being examples.
- orangecat 8y ago
  Selling your organs and selling sex being examples. Resulting in thousands of deaths due to organ shortages, and sex workers being abused by pimps and corrupt cops.
  - itwasntandy 8y ago
    Read “never let me go” by Kazuo Ishiguro, or actually even watch the movie that was made of it (same title) That illustrates fairly well why having an underclass who provides healthy organs to the rich is a utterly barbaric idea.
  - peteretep 8y ago
    > and sex workers being abused by pimps and corrupt cops I don't have a strong opinion either way, but my understanding is that it's very very far from proven that legalizing prostitution improves the lot of sex workers -- I am led to believe that trafficking becomes _more_ of a problem in localities where sex work is legal. Further, and again no strong personal opinion on the matter, but I suspect you'd see a huge rise in coerced organ selling if it became legalized. These are questions societies need to answer for themselves, and my central point was that there's already precedent for societies deciding that they don't benefit when some things are available for sale, even if an individual in the moment says they want to sell it.

DoctorOetker 8y ago

nobody is judging the desperate person, we are judging the net effect of the rest of sociiety on them. it's provably affordable to give everyone the average rent of the world which covers housing (rent of buildings), food (rent of farmland), energy (rent of space used for solar panels, windmills, ...), natural resources (rent of mines).

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joshstrange 8y ago

I'm not attacking them for taking it, I harbor no ill will toward either group #1 or #2 of my original comment. I'm asking if we are ok with this being necessary in the first place. I'm not ok with it.

anonymous5133 8y ago
I have the app installed on my phone. I have it installed because I want the $20 amazon. I don't know if I really "need" the $20 amazon but it is 100% passive once it is installed. You literally need to do nothing. Every month they send you $20. I would not uninstall it even given the privacy concerns. If you guys are so concerned about it then create something that puts cash in my pocket. I'll gladly run whatever app you want on my phone if you pay me.
- matt4077 8y ago
  Now you actually do make me have ill will toward #2. Enjoy your $20. A free lunch/month, right? Edit: and now they shut it down. You can thank us privacy advocates later.

peteretep 8y ago

Perhaps. I notice in most societies we say there are all sorts of things that you can’t do for money with your own time and body, however desperate you may be. Selling your organs and selling sex being examples.

orangecat 8y ago
Selling your organs and selling sex being examples. Resulting in thousands of deaths due to organ shortages, and sex workers being abused by pimps and corrupt cops.
- itwasntandy 8y ago
  Read “never let me go” by Kazuo Ishiguro, or actually even watch the movie that was made of it (same title) That illustrates fairly well why having an underclass who provides healthy organs to the rich is a utterly barbaric idea.
- peteretep 8y ago
  > and sex workers being abused by pimps and corrupt cops I don't have a strong opinion either way, but my understanding is that it's very very far from proven that legalizing prostitution improves the lot of sex workers -- I am led to believe that trafficking becomes _more_ of a problem in localities where sex work is legal. Further, and again no strong personal opinion on the matter, but I suspect you'd see a huge rise in coerced organ selling if it became legalized. These are questions societies need to answer for themselves, and my central point was that there's already precedent for societies deciding that they don't benefit when some things are available for sale, even if an individual in the moment says they want to sell it.