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Interesting how I missed the sedation part till now. The way I rembembered it, they trained the boys to dive, right in the cave. But that must have been a plan
by lolc 8y ago
Interesting how I missed the sedation part till now. The way I rembembered it, they trained the boys to dive, right in the cave. But that must have been a plan that was later abandoned but stuck with me.
- orblivion 8y agoI may be imagining, but I vaguely recall a suggestion that this was a face-saving alternate story, since drugging the kids didn't sound so nice.
- martalist 8y agoFor anyone who's done even a little diving, sedation sounds a lot kinder than teaching the kids to cave dive, let alone under those circumstances.
- JohnJamesRambo 8y agoMakes sense because this is the first I’ve heard of the ketamine.
- stef25 8y agoOnce they were all out a Thai official did say they were drugged.
- joering2 8y agoA friend of mine is an engineer at Lockheed, and used to work for NASA some 17 years long. He explained to me the whole thing was more of a photo-op and ability to over-engineer to show who's got the bigger balls, than actually to quickly rescue people. He basically told me one of many training astronauts have is in a long dark corridor that is submerged underwater of course to simulate low gravity. However the whole thing inside is wrapped in a plastic bag, for lack of better explanation. Just imagine huge condom big enough to fit people in it. When the shit goes down, you push emergency button and whole thing fills in with air in less than 90 seconds. Since its inside cave/corridor, air has no way to push the condom outside/up, so whole water is flushed out quickly. He told me all they had to do is put a thick foil underwater, glue 2 sides together, making long sealed condom, and then pump the air in, making a way for kids to crawl through, with no need to dive or know how to swim, almost like they have those tubes on children's playgrounds. That's all.
- nradov 8y agoThis is completely unrealistic in a cave environment. Your friend has no idea what he's talking about.
- martalist 8y agoAre you saying the kids could have been sealed in plastic/latex bags that are flexible enough for the kids to move on their own, and filled with air? What about punctures, buoyancy, &/or suffocation, to name a couple of hurdles?
- gus_massa 8y agoHave someone tried this method in other place? Does it work when the walls have sharp edges, sharps turns, and there are water currents flowing at high speed around it? (I guess NASA might be using that method inside a pool.) What does it mean "glue 2 sides together"? Underwater? For 800m? Completely air and water tight? Does untrained people be "confortable" to craw in a dark tunnel for 800m or the children would have freak out in the middle?
- jki275 8y agoYour friend hasn't paid any attention to the scale of this problem.
- chmod775 8y agoBecause that idea is totally gonna work in a real world environment where there may be: 1. strong current messing with your construction 2. vertical sections and obstacles that will make your tunnel impossible to crawl through 3. corners, sharp outcrops etc. that might cause damage to it 4. sections that are too long for your construction to be stable even in good circumstances If you managed to somehow solve all of the above with your design, you're still left with a construction job in an environment where people died just trying to traverse it. There's like a myriad reasons why this is a bad idea and will much more likely result in awkward failure or even death instead of a success. Let's not even talk about getting this assembled out of sturdy-enough materials before everyone is dead anyway. And even if you manage that: One tear in that construction and you can guarantee the death of any child still in it. If I had to choose I'd go with the professional cave divers and on-scenes experts rather than the dreams of some guy a thousand miles away with questionable, hardly-relevant credentials.