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I want the worker to receive 100% of the tip as much as anyone. But does anyone else find it obnoxious that all these digital services exist, often starting ou

I want the worker to receive 100% of the tip as much as anyone. But does anyone else find it obnoxious that all these digital services exist, often starting out with no tip straight pricing, then tipping re-appears, and then you suddenly need physical cash to morally use the service at all? Obviously workers should get fairly compensated. The problem is tipping culture itself, just set a price that customers are willing to pay and workers can enjoy a reasonable standard of living. Plus the whole tipping thing is extremely inconsistent. Floral delivery? No tip. Pizza delivery? Tip. Some brands support credit card tipping, others don't, and even the ones that do you have to research how much using it hurts the employee... The US needs law changes that outlaw tipping. It will be culturally painful while we adapt but once we do both workers and customers will be better for it.

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dragonwriter 8y ago
> The US needs law changes that outlaw tipping. No, it just needs to not treat workers that might receive tips differently: they should have he same minimum wages as other workers and tips should not count as compensation by the employer satisfying minimum wage mandates. Private employers might then wish to prohibit employees accepting tips (since it no longer benefits the employer as it does now for the worker to be classes as “tipped”), for similar reasons to those for which public employers already do. EDIT: And we need better enforcement (and possibly slight changes to the basic rules) against mischaracterization of employees as contractors, which is most of the problem in this case.
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  > No, it just needs to not treat workers that might receive tips differently: they should have he same minimum wages as other workers and tips should not count as compensation by the employer satisfying minimum wage mandates. Now they're getting minimum wage and I still feel the need to tip. That doesn't fix the problem unless we also make major changes to the minimum wage. > Private employers might then wish to prohibit employees accepting tips (since it no longer benefits the employer as it does now for the worker to be classes as “tipped”), for similar reasons to those for which public employers already do. They wouldn't do that at minimum wage, and they get negative value out of a combined pay-more/anti-tip policy. I don't think it's enough to fix the problems with tipping culture.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Now they're getting minimum wage and I still feel the need to tip. I'm not sure that your dislike of your own sense of obligation is sufficient cause for a legal prohibition on tipping. I think you should be free to tip (though employers should likewise be free to prohibit employees from accepting tips, and should have fewer reasons not to do so than they currently do.) OTOH, I would get behind (and meant to include this before) prohibiting employers from taking, offsetting, or redirecting tips, including directing employees in a sharing regime; requiring tips, if given and accepted (employers would be permitted to prohibir the latter as a condition of employment, so long as the policy was uniform) to be property of the recieving employee independent of the employer. Basically, they are now a dodge around sales taxes for many employers, but effectively still revenue that the employer controls, within some limits, which gives employers a big reason to protect tipping culture.
    - pishpash 8y ago
      What sense of "obligation" are you referring to? If it is obligatory then it definitely should be outlawed, because it becomes false advertisement of prices.
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        > What sense of "obligation" are you referring to? The sense of “sense of obligation” in play when one says “I feel the need to tip”, as I would have thought was obvious by the quoted bit I responded to. > If it is obligatory then it definitely should be outlawed It is not actually obligatory (except where it is advertised as required, in which case there is no false advertising), even if some people have a sense of obligation which demands tipping.
CameronBanga 8y ago
Agree. Though the more I think about it, this is an opportunity for disruption. TaaS. An e-commerce platform, maybe even validated and protected on the blockchain, where users can exchange digital payments in an effort to circumvent these horrible practices.
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nambit 8y ago
+1 for outlawing tipping. Add it as a fixed cost of the service or don't. No in between.
zjaffee 8y ago
It should also be noted that the need to tip for the perspective of workers having a decent standard of living varies a ton from place to place. In Seattle the tipped minimum wage is 12 dollars an hour at small employers and doesn't exist at large one's (where the minimum wage for large employers is 16/hr). Tipping law for the most part isn't changing largely because tipped workers make more money under the status quo. For those familiar with the restaurant industry, tons of folks turn down management roles because they pay less than working the floor.
ravenstine 8y ago
> Plus the whole tipping thing is extremely inconsistent. Floral delivery? No tip. Pizza delivery? Tip. Let's face it. People tip the Dominoes guy so they don't get spit in their pizza the next time.
- tareqak 8y ago
  An honest question: why can't you call up Dominoes and report it then?

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dragonwriter 8y ago

> The US needs law changes that outlaw tipping. No, it just needs to not treat workers that might receive tips differently: they should have he same minimum wages as other workers and tips should not count as compensation by the employer satisfying minimum wage mandates. Private employers might then wish to prohibit employees accepting tips (since it no longer benefits the employer as it does now for the worker to be classes as “tipped”), for similar reasons to those for which public employers already do. EDIT: And we need better enforcement (and possibly slight changes to the basic rules) against mischaracterization of employees as contractors, which is most of the problem in this case.

Dylan16807 8y ago
> No, it just needs to not treat workers that might receive tips differently: they should have he same minimum wages as other workers and tips should not count as compensation by the employer satisfying minimum wage mandates. Now they're getting minimum wage and I still feel the need to tip. That doesn't fix the problem unless we also make major changes to the minimum wage. > Private employers might then wish to prohibit employees accepting tips (since it no longer benefits the employer as it does now for the worker to be classes as “tipped”), for similar reasons to those for which public employers already do. They wouldn't do that at minimum wage, and they get negative value out of a combined pay-more/anti-tip policy. I don't think it's enough to fix the problems with tipping culture.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Now they're getting minimum wage and I still feel the need to tip. I'm not sure that your dislike of your own sense of obligation is sufficient cause for a legal prohibition on tipping. I think you should be free to tip (though employers should likewise be free to prohibit employees from accepting tips, and should have fewer reasons not to do so than they currently do.) OTOH, I would get behind (and meant to include this before) prohibiting employers from taking, offsetting, or redirecting tips, including directing employees in a sharing regime; requiring tips, if given and accepted (employers would be permitted to prohibir the latter as a condition of employment, so long as the policy was uniform) to be property of the recieving employee independent of the employer. Basically, they are now a dodge around sales taxes for many employers, but effectively still revenue that the employer controls, within some limits, which gives employers a big reason to protect tipping culture.
  - pishpash 8y ago
    What sense of "obligation" are you referring to? If it is obligatory then it definitely should be outlawed, because it becomes false advertisement of prices.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > What sense of "obligation" are you referring to? The sense of “sense of obligation” in play when one says “I feel the need to tip”, as I would have thought was obvious by the quoted bit I responded to. > If it is obligatory then it definitely should be outlawed It is not actually obligatory (except where it is advertised as required, in which case there is no false advertising), even if some people have a sense of obligation which demands tipping.

CameronBanga 8y ago

Agree. Though the more I think about it, this is an opportunity for disruption. TaaS. An e-commerce platform, maybe even validated and protected on the blockchain, where users can exchange digital payments in an effort to circumvent these horrible practices.

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nambit 8y ago

+1 for outlawing tipping. Add it as a fixed cost of the service or don't. No in between.

zjaffee 8y ago

It should also be noted that the need to tip for the perspective of workers having a decent standard of living varies a ton from place to place. In Seattle the tipped minimum wage is 12 dollars an hour at small employers and doesn't exist at large one's (where the minimum wage for large employers is 16/hr). Tipping law for the most part isn't changing largely because tipped workers make more money under the status quo. For those familiar with the restaurant industry, tons of folks turn down management roles because they pay less than working the floor.

ravenstine 8y ago

> Plus the whole tipping thing is extremely inconsistent. Floral delivery? No tip. Pizza delivery? Tip. Let's face it. People tip the Dominoes guy so they don't get spit in their pizza the next time.

tareqak 8y ago
An honest question: why can't you call up Dominoes and report it then?