^this I think the best illustration of this "fight" between CSS as a tool for styling "traditional" hypertekst documents, vs CSS as a tool for styling "web pag

^this I think the best illustration of this "fight" between CSS as a tool for styling "traditional" hypertekst documents, vs CSS as a tool for styling "web pages" is the fate of Adobe's CSS regions proposal - and Håkon Lie's opinion piece arguing against it: https://alistapart.com/blog/post/css-regions-considered-harmful https://alistapart.com/blog/post/css-regions-considered-harm... That was when "design" lost. But now with grid and transitions, there's a "new" CSS - one that is oriented around UX for "web apps". But apps evolved from documents, mind - not from windowing toolkits like smalltalk morphs or Java swing etc. Fwiw I really liked the idea of regions for laying out rich documents - like what you might want for epub. I must admit I'm not that concerned about "web apps" - everyone seems to end up doing their o we n abstraction anyway, and the CSS that "falls out" isn't really sane anyway.