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I feel like there's an 800lbs gorilla in the room that people are either forgetting or intentionally ignoring. Ubuntu promoted ZFS to being a first class citiz

by tw04 8y ago

I feel like there's an 800lbs gorilla in the room that people are either forgetting or intentionally ignoring. Ubuntu promoted ZFS to being a first class citizen over a year ago. They have plenty of devs involved in the Linux kernel. What makes you think they won't continue to advocate for ZoL as well as proactively work on fixing any integration issues they find when new kernels are being developed?

joecot 8y ago
Ubuntu is my daily driver, but don't expect Ubuntu promoting something to mean they're sticking with it for the long haul. See Wayland[1], Unity[2], and NetworkManager (EDIT apparently still supported with Netplan). I once backported a bug in Ubuntu's version of a Torrent Client (Deluge), and got to inform the software's lead developer that Ubuntu had actually stopped using his software by default in the next release in favor of Transmission. I've been using Ubuntu since 8.04, ran a LoCo team and even did some package maintenance, and I've watched Ubuntu embrace tech whole heartedly, and then drop it like a rock 2 releases later, over and over again. Ubuntu moves fast and breaks things, and them promoting something should not indicate to you that they'll promote it for the long term. Long Term Support does not mean long term new development, and LTS support does not mean helping to implement support in new major Kernel versions. 1. https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-t... 2. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/ubuntu-18-04-the-return-of-a-familiar-interface-marks-the-best-ubuntu-in-years/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/ubunt...
- doublepg23 8y ago
  They haven't given up Wayland though, it's just not ready for primetime quite yet - especially not for an LTS. They stuck with Unity for almost eight years as well, that's pretty long haul. I'm unaware of them dumping NetworkManager? I'd agree their support of ZFS seems to be in odd state, Neil McGovern had to deal with that weirdness as DPL [1] which was very annoying as the DKMS was a "good enough" solution. [1] https://debconf16.debconf.org/talks/9/ https://debconf16.debconf.org/talks/9/
  - joecot 8y ago
    Ah, I saw they had moved to Netplan, I hadn't realized NetworkManager supported a Netplan interface.
effie 8y ago
Canonical has notoriety as not contributing to the Linux kernel, although they do contribute (1% of contributions from kernel 4.8 to 4.13 [1]). They do promote it, but their power within the kernel developer community is minimal. [1] https://go.pardot.com/l/6342/2017-10-24/3xr3f2/6342/188781/Publication_LinuxKernelReport_2017.pdf https://go.pardot.com/l/6342/2017-10-24/3xr3f2/6342/188781/P...
- sciurus 8y ago
  For a non-pdf source of development stats: https://lwn.net/Articles/775440/ https://lwn.net/Articles/775440/

by tw04 8y ago

joecot 8y ago

Ubuntu is my daily driver, but don't expect Ubuntu promoting something to mean they're sticking with it for the long haul. See Wayland[1], Unity[2], and NetworkManager (EDIT apparently still supported with Netplan). I once backported a bug in Ubuntu's version of a Torrent Client (Deluge), and got to inform the software's lead developer that Ubuntu had actually stopped using his software by default in the next release in favor of Transmission. I've been using Ubuntu since 8.04, ran a LoCo team and even did some package maintenance, and I've watched Ubuntu embrace tech whole heartedly, and then drop it like a rock 2 releases later, over and over again. Ubuntu moves fast and breaks things, and them promoting something should not indicate to you that they'll promote it for the long term. Long Term Support does not mean long term new development, and LTS support does not mean helping to implement support in new major Kernel versions. 1. https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-t... 2. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/ubuntu-18-04-the-return-of-a-familiar-interface-marks-the-best-ubuntu-in-years/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/ubunt...

doublepg23 8y ago
They haven't given up Wayland though, it's just not ready for primetime quite yet - especially not for an LTS. They stuck with Unity for almost eight years as well, that's pretty long haul. I'm unaware of them dumping NetworkManager? I'd agree their support of ZFS seems to be in odd state, Neil McGovern had to deal with that weirdness as DPL [1] which was very annoying as the DKMS was a "good enough" solution. [1] https://debconf16.debconf.org/talks/9/ https://debconf16.debconf.org/talks/9/
- joecot 8y ago
  Ah, I saw they had moved to Netplan, I hadn't realized NetworkManager supported a Netplan interface.

effie 8y ago

Canonical has notoriety as not contributing to the Linux kernel, although they do contribute (1% of contributions from kernel 4.8 to 4.13 [1]). They do promote it, but their power within the kernel developer community is minimal. [1] https://go.pardot.com/l/6342/2017-10-24/3xr3f2/6342/188781/Publication_LinuxKernelReport_2017.pdf https://go.pardot.com/l/6342/2017-10-24/3xr3f2/6342/188781/P...

sciurus 8y ago
For a non-pdf source of development stats: https://lwn.net/Articles/775440/ https://lwn.net/Articles/775440/