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btrfs still has a lot of issues unfortunately. I tried using buildroot once and the entire filesystem kinda died with the infamous "out of space" error even tho

by r1ch 8y ago

btrfs still has a lot of issues unfortunately. I tried using buildroot once and the entire filesystem kinda died with the infamous "out of space" error even though there was plenty free. Several RAID levels are also unsafe to use. After experiencing both, I trust ZFS a lot more.

petre 8y ago
Agreed. However, Synology uses it in their NAS products along with md RAID. Also, SuSE ships it in all their products. OpenSuSE LEAP 15 which was released two weeks ago and has a transactional updates feature that uses btrfs snapshots.
Dylan16807 8y ago
I've only used BTRFS a handful of times and I've still had three filesystems die on me. Two became cripplingly slow, probably because of automatic snapshots (even though there was a small retention limit). One was fine until it suddenly got into a state where it can only be mounted read-only or mounting never finishes, despite a lot of parameters thrown at it trying to fix that. The first two were not terribly long ago, and the last one was 2018.
shanemhansen 8y ago
I had the same experience with btrfs. It killed my machine multiple times. ZFS on my laptop took me an evening to setup, but it's been completely hassle free. ZFS is really easy to use.
yellowapple 8y ago
Honestly, I've never really understood the appeal of trying to shoehorn RAID into the FS itself. A more traditional softraid has always felt "good enough" to me (especially in this day and age of affordable SSDs). ZFS in particular seems to push more toward RAIDZ, whereas I'm a bit averse to striping in general nowadays for data recovery/reliability reasons (RAID1 + JBOD is dead-simple to recover, more flexible with heterogeneous disk sizes, and much easier to reason about IMO).
- GalacticDomin8r 8y ago
  Not sure where you are getting the push from to use RAIDZ over mirroring. Definitely not from ZFS proper. It's all about what's the best for the situation. Most my things are ZFS mirrors. But given a choice between RAID 3/5/6 or RAIDZ, I don't have to think long.
emikulic 8y ago
I've had the opposite experience. I've been using btrfs for years with no issues (pro-tip: don't create 10,000 snapshots and then try to rebalance the fs) Having snapshots has saved me occasionally and find-new is really useful.

by r1ch 8y ago

petre 8y ago

Agreed. However, Synology uses it in their NAS products along with md RAID. Also, SuSE ships it in all their products. OpenSuSE LEAP 15 which was released two weeks ago and has a transactional updates feature that uses btrfs snapshots.

Dylan16807 8y ago

I've only used BTRFS a handful of times and I've still had three filesystems die on me. Two became cripplingly slow, probably because of automatic snapshots (even though there was a small retention limit). One was fine until it suddenly got into a state where it can only be mounted read-only or mounting never finishes, despite a lot of parameters thrown at it trying to fix that. The first two were not terribly long ago, and the last one was 2018.

shanemhansen 8y ago

I had the same experience with btrfs. It killed my machine multiple times. ZFS on my laptop took me an evening to setup, but it's been completely hassle free. ZFS is really easy to use.

yellowapple 8y ago

Honestly, I've never really understood the appeal of trying to shoehorn RAID into the FS itself. A more traditional softraid has always felt "good enough" to me (especially in this day and age of affordable SSDs). ZFS in particular seems to push more toward RAIDZ, whereas I'm a bit averse to striping in general nowadays for data recovery/reliability reasons (RAID1 + JBOD is dead-simple to recover, more flexible with heterogeneous disk sizes, and much easier to reason about IMO).

GalacticDomin8r 8y ago
Not sure where you are getting the push from to use RAIDZ over mirroring. Definitely not from ZFS proper. It's all about what's the best for the situation. Most my things are ZFS mirrors. But given a choice between RAID 3/5/6 or RAIDZ, I don't have to think long.

emikulic 8y ago

I've had the opposite experience. I've been using btrfs for years with no issues (pro-tip: don't create 10,000 snapshots and then try to rebalance the fs) Having snapshots has saved me occasionally and find-new is really useful.