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Don't underestimate the shitstorms. Look at the candidates who flipped districts in the 2018 elections. Also, Social Security benefits young families who aren

by hopler 8y ago

Don't underestimate the shitstorms. Look at the candidates who flipped districts in the 2018 elections. Also, Social Security benefits young families who aren't earning money. The student loan mess is terrible, but it's not a case of missing government funds but too many -- community colleges are in pretty good shape, but people borrow too much for useless private colleges thanks to modern marketing techniques and modern cultural nonsense about 4yr college degrees for all. Also, a little perspective is in order. Millennials in USA don't have a WWII or Vietnam war or Jim Crow laws or a big government supported KKK. They have the Internet and the rest of modern technology and high efficiency/productivity goods and services. Quality of life is pretty darn good compared to ancestors. It mostly feels bad due to wealth inequality, not absolute poverty. We've got a lot of problems to solve, but this pearl clutching hand wringing for millennials is just MAGA without the red hats, ignoring the reality of how the 99% lived in the past.

mschuster91 8y ago
> Millennials in USA don't have a WWII or Vietnam war or Jim Crow laws or a big government supported KKK. Millennials in the USA and many other allied nations have the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, with additionally European youth dealing with the refugees caused by said wars and the right wing that has risen by piggybacking on said refugees. We don't have Jim-Crow-Laws but still disproportionate amounts of PoC and immigrants being targeted by police and systematically discriminated against by wider society. We don#t have government-supported KKK, at least not openly, but at least Germans have groups of Nazis outright murdering people ("NSU" if you're interested) and presumably aided or at least protected by secret services. Most of Islamist terrorists across Europe turned out to be known to police, most notoriously Anis A. (the Berlin murderer). > It mostly feels bad due to wealth inequality, not absolute poverty. That's the core point. We see the ultra rich flaunt their riches to the point of obscenity while spreading "you can get rich too" while knowing we can't ever realistically rise to that level of richdoms (and we know it, too, which makes it even more obscene). Corporate exec make way over 100x, some probably over 1000x, the money as the cleaning maid wiping their toilets. This disconnect is it what riles up young generations.
jimbokun 8y ago
> Quality of life is pretty darn good compared to ancestors. If you go back far enough, sure. For most Americans economic conditions have been downhill since the 1970s, though.
- drewmate 8y ago
  This is interesting to consider. While we have Netflix and iPhones, it's not clear to me that these actually improve QoL over the middle class life my parents enjoyed in the 70's/80's (spacious home, 2 cars in the garage, time for leisure, etc...)

by hopler 8y ago

mschuster91 8y ago

> Millennials in USA don't have a WWII or Vietnam war or Jim Crow laws or a big government supported KKK. Millennials in the USA and many other allied nations have the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, with additionally European youth dealing with the refugees caused by said wars and the right wing that has risen by piggybacking on said refugees. We don't have Jim-Crow-Laws but still disproportionate amounts of PoC and immigrants being targeted by police and systematically discriminated against by wider society. We don#t have government-supported KKK, at least not openly, but at least Germans have groups of Nazis outright murdering people ("NSU" if you're interested) and presumably aided or at least protected by secret services. Most of Islamist terrorists across Europe turned out to be known to police, most notoriously Anis A. (the Berlin murderer). > It mostly feels bad due to wealth inequality, not absolute poverty. That's the core point. We see the ultra rich flaunt their riches to the point of obscenity while spreading "you can get rich too" while knowing we can't ever realistically rise to that level of richdoms (and we know it, too, which makes it even more obscene). Corporate exec make way over 100x, some probably over 1000x, the money as the cleaning maid wiping their toilets. This disconnect is it what riles up young generations.

jimbokun 8y ago

> Quality of life is pretty darn good compared to ancestors. If you go back far enough, sure. For most Americans economic conditions have been downhill since the 1970s, though.

drewmate 8y ago
This is interesting to consider. While we have Netflix and iPhones, it's not clear to me that these actually improve QoL over the middle class life my parents enjoyed in the 70's/80's (spacious home, 2 cars in the garage, time for leisure, etc...)