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> America is the most powerful nation in the world today not because it has the most number of people, but because it has the best and the brightest, gathered f

• screye 8y ago
  > I agree, there is a non-quota limited O visa for temporary workers for the best and brightest Just saying, the requirements of the O visa are usually very unreasonable. An application must satisfy 3 of the below requirements: 1. Receipt of nationally or internationally recognized prizes or awards for excellence in the field of endeavor 2. Membership in associations in the field for which classification is sought which require outstanding achievements, as judged by recognized national or international experts in the field 3. Published material in professional or major trade publications, newspapers or other major media about the beneficiary and the beneficiary’s work in the field for which classification is sought 4. Original scientific, scholarly, or business-related contributions of major significance in the field 5. Authorship of scholarly articles in professional journals or other major media in the field for which classification is sought 6. A high salary or other remuneration for services as evidenced by contracts or other reliable evidence Participation on a panel, or individually, as a judge of the work of others in the same or in a field of specialization allied to that field for which classification is sought Employment in a critical or essential capacity for organizations and establishments that have a distinguished reputation Afaik, this would usually put a person in the domain of top PhD student or professor. I doubt any masters/undergrad would be able to qualify for such a requirement. A PhD isn't for everyone, and IMO isn't always positively correlated with intelligence. (in that many of the smartest people have no intention of going into research /academia). The kind of people from India who would qualify for the O-1 would usually be in the 99.99th percentile. At that point we aren't just talking about the smartest people. These people go beyond that. (at least in CS, where PhDs are very competitive)
  • drawkbox 8y ago
    Yeah like I mentioned, the argument about "best and brightest" isn't really a problem, it is a common point about H-1B but there is always a way in with the O (outstanding) visa. H-1B is for the pretty good developer or when there are labor shortages of certain skills. There is a market need for it but it is also being abused to lower wages and own people undoubtedly. I never said H-1B wasn't needed nor am I against immigration. But the argument that with less H-1Bs the best and brightest wouldn't get in is not correct. The O visa are always there for that and a separate line. The H-1B line is a line that is the pretty good and needed extra labor to fill shortages, but again, ripe for abuse. That is why it has quota to begin with, without quotas I have no doubt companies like Oracle would have large percentages of their workers if not all as H-1Bs. Ultimately H-1B could be expanded and made easier even if companies didn't abuse it. One way to change this is allow H-1Bs to change companies, though I am sure this would be abused by middle man contracting companies as well. So ultimately a quota is the only failsafe for abuse. The problem isn't immigration/temporary workers, it is companies using it to lower wages and that harms all workers domestic and foreign and at a macro level our entire economy. Side note your items some of them are merged full list (8 where 2-8 are pretty doable with 5-8 even more doable for the truly best and brightest): > 1. Receipt of nationally or internationally recognized prizes or awards for excellence in the field of endeavor > 2. Membership in associations in the field for which classification is sought which require outstanding achievements, as judged by recognized national or international experts in the field > 3. Published material in professional or major trade publications, newspapers or other major media about the beneficiary and the beneficiary’s work in the field for which classification is sought > 4. Original scientific, scholarly, or business-related contributions of major significance in the field > 5. Authorship of scholarly articles in professional journals or other major media in the field for which classification is sought > 6. A high salary or other remuneration for services as evidenced by contracts or other reliable evidence > 7. Participation on a panel, or individually, as a judge of the work of others in the same or in a field of specialization allied to that field for which classification is sought > 8. Employment in a critical or essential capacity for organizations and establishments that have a distinguished reputation
    • kamaal 8y ago