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1. In a layoff your boss doesn't fire you, most of the time they don't want to lose anyone. It happens above their level. 2. If you think a corporation gives n

1. In a layoff your boss doesn't fire you, most of the time they don't want to lose anyone. It happens above their level. 2. If you think a corporation gives no-warning layoffs is wrong, then don't reciprocate, take the high road. It's nursery school level life advice: "two wrongs don't make a right" 3. If you are young, the world may seem big. It is not. It is small. There's a good chance you'll run across your boss or a friend of their's in future. Don't burn bridges. 4. It is generally considered polite to offer 2 weeks, offer extra time to ensure an orderly transition, to do as much as possible to make sure there are no difficult loose ends for a successor, and to leave your contact info with an offer to help if any questions come up. Just be decent and you will live a happier life.

masklinn 8y ago
> 1. In a layoff your boss doesn't fire you, most of the time they don't want to lose anyone. It happens above their level. That's relevant how? > 2. If you think a corporation gives no-warning layoffs is wrong, then don't reciprocate, take the high road. It's nursery school level life advice: "two wrongs don't make a right" Here's more nursery school level life advice: respect is a two-way street. > 3. If you are young, the world may seem big. It is not. It is small. You may run across your boss or a friend of their's in future. Don't burn bridges. Or do, life's too short to keep building bridges into raging tire fires. > 4. It is generally considered polite to offer 2 weeks, offer extra time to ensure an orderly transition, to do as much as possible to make sure there are no difficult loose ends for a successor, and to leave your contact info with an offer to help if any questions come up. Meanwhile the company's happy upending your life overnight with no forewarning and not giving a damn about "orderly transition". If it wants orderly transition, how about it pays for it?
- sokoloff 8y ago
  > If it wants orderly transition, how about it pays for it? In every tech industry lay-off I’ve been around, the company has paid severance equal to or longer than any typical employee quitting notice period. IOW, IMO, they are paying for it in general.
  - manicdee 8y ago
    I'm happy for you that your life has been so stress free.
- GrinningFool 8y ago
  > Here's more nursery school level life advice: respect is a two-way street. Treat people well, and they generally will in return. Sometimes they don't - but does that change who you are?
WalterSear 8y ago
1. Exactly. The biggest reason to leave without notice is to make management pay attention to the quality of life of your now-former coworkers. 2. Taking the high road would be giving employees at your corporation notice. Giving notice to an employee that doesn't give notice is fear-driven, codependent conformism. 3. I'm old. The world is fucking huge. 4. If you want to leave on good terms, leave on good terms. But don't just do it because it's expected. Otherwise it gets taken for granted, and is not reciprocated.
PhasmaFelis 8y ago
> It is generally considered polite to offer 2 weeks, offer extra time to ensure an orderly transition, to do as much as possible to make sure there are no difficult loose ends for a successor, and to leave your contact info with an offer to help if any questions come up. ...And gather anything you need before you give your notice, just in case they're the kind of douchebags who will have security frogmarch you out 5 minutes later.
gwbas1c 8y ago
> If you think a corporation gives no-warning layoffs is wrong As in no warning, no severance, or no warning with severance? A no warning layoff with severance might result in some hurt feelings, but it's the best way to handle it. Otherwise, emotions could result in the situation turning very sour.
- throwaway5752 8y ago
  Most people were saying here that corporations - as though they are all equivalent and substitutable - would lay you off without hesitation as a way to defend people abandoning jobs (or "ghost" if you want) and that was why I framed my comment in that way. Let's be clear, you don't know how a company will lay you off until they do, and then it's too late to consider the terms of your resignation (of course). However, if I worked for a company that did a round of layoffs that didn't include me and they gave less than 4 weeks of severance to the most junior person there then I would start looking for a new job. I'd give 2 weeks when I quit. If a company laid me off without severance, and subsequent dire circumstances required me to take me a job there again, I'd still give 2 weeks notice if I resigned. The question of whether they "deserve" it is not meaningful, it's a question of how I choose to act. Someone elsewhere mentioned legal issues, fear of safety, or gross breach of trust (not getting paid). I'm talking about normal circumstances, not exceptional ones.
anigbrowl 8y ago
1. It's not my fault! It's not personal, it's business. 2. Treat me better than i treat you. I have to look at the big picture here. 3. You'll be sorry if you run into me again! Better than being a pushover. 4. Don't leave me this way. I can't keep carrying your baggage. If someone is bad enough to work for that you're ready to walk off the job there is absolutely no reason to continue enabling their toxic behavior. And if you run into them or their friends in future, guess what, they will probably still be toxic. You should absolutely be decent, but don't smooth talkers exploit that.
rdtsc 8y ago
> If you think a corporation gives no-warning layoffs is wrong, then don't reciprocate, take the high road. Right. And never tell them the real reason why you left or tell them anything negative in an exit interview (if they have one). Just keep it positive and tell them how you just loved working there and there so many opportunities though etc etc. Burning bridges might feel good, but it's better not to do it. Even for purely selfish reasons as the industry might be huge but it's super connected. You might find yourself working with the same people again in the future, isn't worth leaving a trail of smoke behind.
drugme 8y ago
4. Then again when you're getting blatantly dicked over, this obligation no longer applies.

masklinn 8y ago

> 1. In a layoff your boss doesn't fire you, most of the time they don't want to lose anyone. It happens above their level. That's relevant how? > 2. If you think a corporation gives no-warning layoffs is wrong, then don't reciprocate, take the high road. It's nursery school level life advice: "two wrongs don't make a right" Here's more nursery school level life advice: respect is a two-way street. > 3. If you are young, the world may seem big. It is not. It is small. You may run across your boss or a friend of their's in future. Don't burn bridges. Or do, life's too short to keep building bridges into raging tire fires. > 4. It is generally considered polite to offer 2 weeks, offer extra time to ensure an orderly transition, to do as much as possible to make sure there are no difficult loose ends for a successor, and to leave your contact info with an offer to help if any questions come up. Meanwhile the company's happy upending your life overnight with no forewarning and not giving a damn about "orderly transition". If it wants orderly transition, how about it pays for it?

sokoloff 8y ago
> If it wants orderly transition, how about it pays for it? In every tech industry lay-off I’ve been around, the company has paid severance equal to or longer than any typical employee quitting notice period. IOW, IMO, they are paying for it in general.
- manicdee 8y ago
  I'm happy for you that your life has been so stress free.
GrinningFool 8y ago
> Here's more nursery school level life advice: respect is a two-way street. Treat people well, and they generally will in return. Sometimes they don't - but does that change who you are?

WalterSear 8y ago

1. Exactly. The biggest reason to leave without notice is to make management pay attention to the quality of life of your now-former coworkers. 2. Taking the high road would be giving employees at your corporation notice. Giving notice to an employee that doesn't give notice is fear-driven, codependent conformism. 3. I'm old. The world is fucking huge. 4. If you want to leave on good terms, leave on good terms. But don't just do it because it's expected. Otherwise it gets taken for granted, and is not reciprocated.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago

> It is generally considered polite to offer 2 weeks, offer extra time to ensure an orderly transition, to do as much as possible to make sure there are no difficult loose ends for a successor, and to leave your contact info with an offer to help if any questions come up. ...And gather anything you need before you give your notice, just in case they're the kind of douchebags who will have security frogmarch you out 5 minutes later.

gwbas1c 8y ago

> If you think a corporation gives no-warning layoffs is wrong As in no warning, no severance, or no warning with severance? A no warning layoff with severance might result in some hurt feelings, but it's the best way to handle it. Otherwise, emotions could result in the situation turning very sour.

throwaway5752 8y ago
Most people were saying here that corporations - as though they are all equivalent and substitutable - would lay you off without hesitation as a way to defend people abandoning jobs (or "ghost" if you want) and that was why I framed my comment in that way. Let's be clear, you don't know how a company will lay you off until they do, and then it's too late to consider the terms of your resignation (of course). However, if I worked for a company that did a round of layoffs that didn't include me and they gave less than 4 weeks of severance to the most junior person there then I would start looking for a new job. I'd give 2 weeks when I quit. If a company laid me off without severance, and subsequent dire circumstances required me to take me a job there again, I'd still give 2 weeks notice if I resigned. The question of whether they "deserve" it is not meaningful, it's a question of how I choose to act. Someone elsewhere mentioned legal issues, fear of safety, or gross breach of trust (not getting paid). I'm talking about normal circumstances, not exceptional ones.

anigbrowl 8y ago

1. It's not my fault! It's not personal, it's business. 2. Treat me better than i treat you. I have to look at the big picture here. 3. You'll be sorry if you run into me again! Better than being a pushover. 4. Don't leave me this way. I can't keep carrying your baggage. If someone is bad enough to work for that you're ready to walk off the job there is absolutely no reason to continue enabling their toxic behavior. And if you run into them or their friends in future, guess what, they will probably still be toxic. You should absolutely be decent, but don't smooth talkers exploit that.

rdtsc 8y ago

> If you think a corporation gives no-warning layoffs is wrong, then don't reciprocate, take the high road. Right. And never tell them the real reason why you left or tell them anything negative in an exit interview (if they have one). Just keep it positive and tell them how you just loved working there and there so many opportunities though etc etc. Burning bridges might feel good, but it's better not to do it. Even for purely selfish reasons as the industry might be huge but it's super connected. You might find yourself working with the same people again in the future, isn't worth leaving a trail of smoke behind.

drugme 8y ago

4. Then again when you're getting blatantly dicked over, this obligation no longer applies.