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He also mentioned a 200 mile range, which the Leaf is still working towards; Nissan's website clearly states the latest Leaf has a 150 mile range [1]. I've bee

He also mentioned a 200 mile range, which the Leaf is still working towards; Nissan's website clearly states the latest Leaf has a 150 mile range [1]. I've been lusting after all electric cars for a while including the Leaf but range is definitely a concern. Kudos to Tesla for breaking open the market and creating all electric cars with 200+ mile range. But I'm with the original poster in that I want 200+ miles and a quality product with no fit and finish issues or supply-chain problems when there's a breakdown. Tesla has one of three right now and eventually the majors will catch up. [1] https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/range-charging.html https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/range-...

andrewmunsell 8y ago
For anyone interetsed, the Leaf E-Plus is coming within the next couple months with a 200 mile range: https://insideevs.com/leaf-e-plus-nissan-joins-200-mile-club/ https://insideevs.com/leaf-e-plus-nissan-joins-200-mile-club... There's still no active battery cooling though, which is a disappointment.
- technofiend 8y ago
  Particularly in hot climates there's concern both around battery performance and actual range. Practically speaking you need to factor in climate control use when driving, which lowers range.
athenot 8y ago
The Leaf Plus goes on sale in the US in spring, with a range of 224 miles. https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2019-nissan-leaf-plus-ev-range-mileage-specs/ https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2019-nissan-leaf-plus-ev-...
loeg 8y ago
Yeah, my ICE wagon has 450-550 miles rated range depending on city/highway rated mileage. Even if you assume that's somewhat optimistic (and it isn't that optimistic — my 15 year older, same model wagon got nearly the same mileage), it's still a lot more than 150. And it cost a lot less than $30k.
- Scoundreller 8y ago
  I’d kinda prefer the low range: It would encourage me to rent a car for road trips and put the damage on someone else’s vehicle. Most of my road trips are the 1000km in 2-3 day variety anyway.
  - loeg 8y ago
    If I was going to rent for any drive longer than 150 miles, I wouldn't own a car in the first place. Renting is a big hassle and multiplied by N trips sounds unpleasant. My trips are shorter and probably more frequent than your 620 mile multi-day affairs, though.
    - Scoundreller 8y ago
      I guess my questions are: What percentage of cars go on more than 2x 150 mile+ trips in a year? (Or 300 mile round trips that can be charged at turnaround point). And the same question for 100/200 miles. I’m guessing 90%+ for personal cars. And many of the exceptions are multicar households that could shift their long-drives to the other car.
      - loeg 8y ago
        To answer your question, I could only guess :-). I don't know how common it is, but we're a single-car household that goes hiking (i.e., no charging at the turn around point).
        loeg 8y ago
        FYI, the information for the US can probably be derived from the raw data available here: https://nhts.ornl.gov/ https://nhts.ornl.gov/ . The high level web summary buckets all trips of 31+ miles into a single bucket, which isn't helpful for your question, but if you want to do the analysis on the data, it's available. Cheers.

andrewmunsell 8y ago

For anyone interetsed, the Leaf E-Plus is coming within the next couple months with a 200 mile range: https://insideevs.com/leaf-e-plus-nissan-joins-200-mile-club/ https://insideevs.com/leaf-e-plus-nissan-joins-200-mile-club... There's still no active battery cooling though, which is a disappointment.

technofiend 8y ago
Particularly in hot climates there's concern both around battery performance and actual range. Practically speaking you need to factor in climate control use when driving, which lowers range.

athenot 8y ago

The Leaf Plus goes on sale in the US in spring, with a range of 224 miles. https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2019-nissan-leaf-plus-ev-range-mileage-specs/ https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2019-nissan-leaf-plus-ev-...

loeg 8y ago

Yeah, my ICE wagon has 450-550 miles rated range depending on city/highway rated mileage. Even if you assume that's somewhat optimistic (and it isn't that optimistic — my 15 year older, same model wagon got nearly the same mileage), it's still a lot more than 150. And it cost a lot less than $30k.

Scoundreller 8y ago
I’d kinda prefer the low range: It would encourage me to rent a car for road trips and put the damage on someone else’s vehicle. Most of my road trips are the 1000km in 2-3 day variety anyway.
- loeg 8y ago
  If I was going to rent for any drive longer than 150 miles, I wouldn't own a car in the first place. Renting is a big hassle and multiplied by N trips sounds unpleasant. My trips are shorter and probably more frequent than your 620 mile multi-day affairs, though.
  - Scoundreller 8y ago
    I guess my questions are: What percentage of cars go on more than 2x 150 mile+ trips in a year? (Or 300 mile round trips that can be charged at turnaround point). And the same question for 100/200 miles. I’m guessing 90%+ for personal cars. And many of the exceptions are multicar households that could shift their long-drives to the other car.
    - loeg 8y ago
      To answer your question, I could only guess :-). I don't know how common it is, but we're a single-car household that goes hiking (i.e., no charging at the turn around point).
      - loeg 8y ago
        FYI, the information for the US can probably be derived from the raw data available here: https://nhts.ornl.gov/ https://nhts.ornl.gov/ . The high level web summary buckets all trips of 31+ miles into a single bucket, which isn't helpful for your question, but if you want to do the analysis on the data, it's available. Cheers.