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How is it not proof? It's using the most fundamental of logic. We're talking elementary logic here. I see a thing, this thing must of came from something. T
by linsistine 8y ago
How is it not proof? It's using the most fundamental of logic. We're talking elementary logic here.
I see a thing, this thing must of came from something. Things just don't appear for no reason and with no creator.
A pen, a banana, a baby, a piece of code, all of these things came from something. And all of these things compared to the universe are incredibly simple. But how come you believe the universe came into existence from nothing and without design?
- tw04 8y ago>A pen, a banana, a baby, a piece of code, all of these things came from something. And all of these things compared to the universe are incredibly simple. But how come you believe the universe came into existence from nothing and without design? The modern banana, a pen, a baby, a piece of code - these all were invented by us, and made out of something that already existed. Just because so many things that WE observe have a beginning and end, doesn't mean EVERYTHING has a beginning and end. Our entire world/universal view is skewed by the fact we are mortal. Even if we go by the logic of someone had to make this, it couldn't have come from nowhere - then who made the inventor? Where did that come from? At some point your logic will REQUIRE you to believe that "things appear for no reason and with no creator".
- ceejayoz 8y ago> Things just don't appear for no reason and with no creator. This logic must logically apply to said creator.
- linsistine 8y agoAs I've replied to your other comment, name me one thing which has no beginning. So the timeline of the universe has no beginning? It just "is" and "was" for no reason, no design, no creator, for an infinite period of time?
- ceejayoz 8y agoThe answer is "we're not sure, but we'd love to find out". Giving up and replacing "we'd love to find out" with "well, it's just unexplainable magic!" is not a satisfying option to me.
- linsistine 8y agoSo if you're answer is, "I don't know", how can you say that a belief in a Creator is wrong? If you truly don't know?
- ceejayoz 8y agoI technically don't know if there's an invisible unicorn living in a cave on the Moon. I can state with reasonable certainty that there isn't. I'm perfectly willing to be convinced by compelling evidence to the contrary, but "it's in the Bible" or "everything needs a beginning EXCEPT THIS ONE THING THAT MAKES MY ARGUMENT WORK" isn't that evidence.
- linsistine 8y agoIt's reasonable to think that the Universe came into existence without some sort of creator, that it wasn't intelligently designed in some capacity, and that it came from nothing out of randomness and for no reason? That you came from your father's penis as a drop of fluid, to be formed into some living thing, and ultimately be given birth from your mother's vagina into this world for no reason, out of randomness, and with no sort of intelligent force behind all of this?
- ceejayoz 8y agoYes. You've already indicated you yourself think it's reasonable to think things can come into existence without a creator, by asserting the existence of such a thing in the form of a creator. I'm entirely comfortable with the concept of my being here due to natural selection rather than a mystical purpose. Don't make the mistake of thinking "everything must have a purpose" to be a globally shared worldview.