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Isn't ChromeOS based on Linux, and, therefore, all Chromebooks affected by this?

by krn 8y ago

Zhenya 8y ago
No - chromeos is the whole operating system with specific components turned off and optimized for specific vendor architectures. There are ton more differences but that's what jumps out to me at the moment.
- marcosdumay 8y ago
  Still ChromeOS and Android are both based on Linux, thus both export the same API to the userspace that Chrome could use on GNU/Linux. There is a point about the hardware being predictable, that applies much more to ChromeOS than to Android. But the Chrome code could be the same for all three.
noir_lord 8y ago
If you read the comments someone points out that they are using the exact same drivers for intel stuff on ChromeOS that people like me are using on on Thinkpads (it has an nvidia GPU but I rarely use it, next machine won't have) with no issues. Not sure what is up with Chromium just recently in light of the potentially breaking adblockers thing but I'm happy that Firefox are back in the game (not that I ever stopped using them, Chrome/Chromium is only for dev and testing on my machines) since the single largest browser vendor also depending on advertising for the vast majority of it's income is a massive conflict of interest frankly. Firefox for Android has gotten really good and with ublock origin and the lack of constant "sync everything to google forever" nagging makes mobile web much more pleasant.
- cellularmitosis 8y ago
  I found this guide about how to remap the keybindings in firefox without having to build from source, which pushed me over the ledge into giving firefox a serious shot at replacing chrome: https://github.com/nilcons/firefox-hacks#binary-hacking-firefox https://github.com/nilcons/firefox-hacks#binary-hacking-fire...
  - noir_lord 8y ago
    I'm biased but for me Chrome never replaced Firefox as a general use browser, it did for development (chrome dev tools has forced FF to up it's game - win/win for me) and I have to use it for testing for obvious reasons. The thing with Firefox is that I know generally while they've made the odd misstep they do actually care about what they preach, I feel like Mozilla never had to say "Don't be evil" because there wasn't really any way they could be (on the scale of Google).
- basch 8y ago
  isnt Firefox planning that same ad blocking breaking change? https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/10/26/firefox-chrome-and-the-future-of-trustworthy-extensions/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/10/26/firefox-chrome-an...
  - spullara 8y ago
    On that page they say "Extensions that request access to all websites still get installed with that access, so the default behavior has not changed." That seems counter to the whole discussion about Chrome's changes yesterday.
  - predakanga 8y ago
    The linked blog doesn’t say anything about adopting this change - on the contrary, it asks Google to let them have more input on the extension spec. “So I would like to publicly invite Google to collaborate with Mozilla and other browser vendors on manifest v3. It is an incredible opportunity to show that Chrome embodies Google’s philosophy to “focus on the user,”...”
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- cjhopman 8y ago
  > exact same drivers for intel stuff on ChromeOS that people like me are using on on Thinkpads Bullshit. They say that they are maintaining multiple chromeos patches to that driver that you don't have.
spicymaki 8y ago
ChromeOS is directly supported by the hardware vendors, so they work directly with manufacturers to provide stable drivers. In the general case with Linux on the desktop you have no idea what GPU is installed, so supporting all of the combinations of proprietary, open source, reverse engineered drivers, etc with various features is a nightmare.
loeg 8y ago
There's a special exemption for ChromeOS.

Isn't ChromeOS based on Linux, and, therefore, all Chromebooks affected by this?

by krn 8y ago

Isn't ChromeOS based on Linux, and, therefore, all Chromebooks affected by this?

No - chromeos is the whole operating system with specific components turned off and optimized for specific vendor architectures. There are ton more differences but that's what jumps out to me at the moment.

marcosdumay 8y ago
Still ChromeOS and Android are both based on Linux, thus both export the same API to the userspace that Chrome could use on GNU/Linux. There is a point about the hardware being predictable, that applies much more to ChromeOS than to Android. But the Chrome code could be the same for all three.

noir_lord 8y ago

If you read the comments someone points out that they are using the exact same drivers for intel stuff on ChromeOS that people like me are using on on Thinkpads (it has an nvidia GPU but I rarely use it, next machine won't have) with no issues. Not sure what is up with Chromium just recently in light of the potentially breaking adblockers thing but I'm happy that Firefox are back in the game (not that I ever stopped using them, Chrome/Chromium is only for dev and testing on my machines) since the single largest browser vendor also depending on advertising for the vast majority of it's income is a massive conflict of interest frankly. Firefox for Android has gotten really good and with ublock origin and the lack of constant "sync everything to google forever" nagging makes mobile web much more pleasant.

cellularmitosis 8y ago
I found this guide about how to remap the keybindings in firefox without having to build from source, which pushed me over the ledge into giving firefox a serious shot at replacing chrome: https://github.com/nilcons/firefox-hacks#binary-hacking-firefox https://github.com/nilcons/firefox-hacks#binary-hacking-fire...
- noir_lord 8y ago
  I'm biased but for me Chrome never replaced Firefox as a general use browser, it did for development (chrome dev tools has forced FF to up it's game - win/win for me) and I have to use it for testing for obvious reasons. The thing with Firefox is that I know generally while they've made the odd misstep they do actually care about what they preach, I feel like Mozilla never had to say "Don't be evil" because there wasn't really any way they could be (on the scale of Google).
basch 8y ago
isnt Firefox planning that same ad blocking breaking change? https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/10/26/firefox-chrome-and-the-future-of-trustworthy-extensions/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/10/26/firefox-chrome-an...
- spullara 8y ago
  On that page they say "Extensions that request access to all websites still get installed with that access, so the default behavior has not changed." That seems counter to the whole discussion about Chrome's changes yesterday.
- predakanga 8y ago
  The linked blog doesn’t say anything about adopting this change - on the contrary, it asks Google to let them have more input on the extension spec. “So I would like to publicly invite Google to collaborate with Mozilla and other browser vendors on manifest v3. It is an incredible opportunity to show that Chrome embodies Google’s philosophy to “focus on the user,”...”
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cjhopman 8y ago
> exact same drivers for intel stuff on ChromeOS that people like me are using on on Thinkpads Bullshit. They say that they are maintaining multiple chromeos patches to that driver that you don't have.

spicymaki 8y ago

ChromeOS is directly supported by the hardware vendors, so they work directly with manufacturers to provide stable drivers. In the general case with Linux on the desktop you have no idea what GPU is installed, so supporting all of the combinations of proprietary, open source, reverse engineered drivers, etc with various features is a nightmare.

loeg 8y ago

There's a special exemption for ChromeOS.