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Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit
- yani 8y agoThis opens the path for a proxy that will register the domains for such companies and indivisuals. Oh wait such proxy companies already exist.
- t0astbread 8y agoSo this effectively means don't register a .eu domain if there's any discussion in your country about an *EXIT?
- tehlike 8y agodon't register an eu domain at all - who knows if eu will exist in near future? edit: eu was founded in 1993. it's just around 26 years old, but already has a lot of problems.
- midasz 8y ago> who knows if eu will exist in near future ???????????????????? Absolute nonsense. That'd be like saying don't do business with US companies because they haven't had a functioning government in more than 40 days...
- Cthulhu_ 8y ago> That'd be like saying don't do business with US companies because they haven't had a functioning government in more than 40 days... 40 days is generous, the US's government hasn't functioned in years, if not decades.
- pgc 8y agoI don't know what Europe would look like without the EU. I'd say in the coming years the stability of it will be tested thoroughly. The countries that are calling the shots (namely France and Germany and their lapdogs) will be tested, too.
- rndgermandude 8y agoThe EU is the successor to the EEC (1957) and ECSC (1951).
- duiker101 8y agoI mean, looking at the state of things I'd say it's more likely the US will be annexed by Russia before the EU goes away.
- tebs1200 8y agoOh - I thought that had already happened.
- cm2187 8y agoDon’t know why you are getting downvoted, eu-hostile populist parties are on the rise everywhere in Europe. If your business depends critically on a domain, I think not relying on a .eu domain is a common sense precaution to take. And it doesn’t matter what the next election polls are. You are still going to depend on your domain in 10 or 15 years.
- cabalamat 8y ago> eu-hostile populist parties are on the rise everywhere in Europe Populist parties are on the rise, and many of them have made anti-EU noises in the past. However, with Brexit, they've got very quiet about leaving the EU. If Brexit does go ahead, I expect it will be sufficiently unpleasant that no-one else will want to leave.
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoI wouldn't be too sure, some countries might get kicked out - Greece was at risk of that for a while. It's precarious. And there's a big power on the east who would love to see the EU (and the US) destabilize. The UK would fall apart even further after the Brexit; there's likely to be another Scottish referendum and they're likely to leave the UK and rejoin the EU.
- cabalamat 8y ago> some countries might get kicked out I don't think this is particularly likely, because the EU doesn't want more countries leaving. Maybe Hungary will, but only if Orban goes completely off the rails. > there's likely to be another Scottish referendum and they're likely to leave the UK and rejoin the EU. Wouldn't surprise me at all. What happens in the UK depends on how chaotic the Brexit process gets.
- robertony 8y ago> Greece was at risk of that for a while. Greece actually campaigned for it and the EU imposed more austerity instead.
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- Piskvorrr 8y agoIf you're a startup, this is bikeshedding on par with worrying about the heat death of the Universe.
- writepub 8y agoThere are many many proxy registration methods that allow one to buy a domain in any country, regardless of residency. For instance, the .it domain is intended for Italian residents, but play.it , a CBS owned radio company operates with full complaince. This is not a loss for Brits, but a breach of trust by the .eu registrar. Lesson learnt: never register with .eu domain, for their non-business friendly heavy handedness
- midasz 8y ago> the .it domain is intended for Italian residents Do they have a TOS? Because there is a difference between 'intended' and actual rules. And by using those 'proxy companies' you're still breaking the rules but just being sneaky about it. > a breach of trust by the .eu registrar Really? So because they actually enforce their rules they are 'breaching trust'? You can't get away with breaking the rules so you just crawl into the victim role? Absolute nonsense. https://eurid.eu/media/filer_public/76/48/7648e621-0c5d-4c09-8bde-e5622cb6b23e/registration_policy_en.pdf https://eurid.eu/media/filer_public/76/48/7648e621-0c5d-4c09... In this first step the Registrant must verify whether it meets the General Eligibility Criteria, whereby it must be: (i) an undertaking having its registered office, central administration or principal place of business within the European Union, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein, or (ii) an organisation established within the European Union, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein without prejudice to the application of national law, or (iii) a natural person resident within the European Union, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein.
- benj111 8y agoAt the time of registering, all those eligibility criteria were met. It isn't unreasonable to let current registrations run their course.
- midasz 8y agoNot really. Trade agreements were also made when the UK was in the EU. It doesn't make sense to let them run their course either? Why so lenient? Choosing to leave a club that allows for certain things is ok, but it's inane to be outraged about not keeping those things when you leave.
- mothsonasloth 8y agoIt will be painful for some but let's be honest, who here has seen many high profile .EU domains floating around?
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- skilled 8y agoCouldn't think of one...
- Doctor_Fegg 8y agoleave.eu :(
- philfrasty 8y agoJust one example: GoDaddy bought the HostEurope group for €1.6B [1]. They own one of the largest domain-registers (and cloud providers) in the DACH region called Domainfactory. They reside on df.eu [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Europe_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Europe_Group
- eesmith 8y agoFor what it's worth, here are the unique .eu domains linked to on HN during the last two weeks, along with an example HN page: europa.eu (the most often posted .eu domain) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18979027 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18979027 . This is the "Official website of the European Union" sifted.eu - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18958342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18958342 . This is "The new media platform backed by the Financial Times". juliareda.eu - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18943510 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18943510 . This is the site of a Member of the European Parliament from Germany, who is also a member of the Pirate Party Germany. jsconf.eu - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18912059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18912059 . "JSConf EU is the labour-of-love conference for the JavaScript community in Europe" elixirconf.eu - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18865236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18865236 . "ElixirConf EU is the premiere Elixir conference in Europe" 5gobservatory.eu - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18980769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18980769 . This is an organization directed by the European Commission. This was all done manually. Someone else might automate the task.
- DomreiRoam 8y agoBrexit notice from EURid the domain name registry that operates the .eu top-level domain: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit- https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit- notice/
- yorwba 8y agoThere's a stray space in your link. https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/ https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/
- KineticLensman 8y ago> https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit- https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit- notice/ Try https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/ https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/ to avoid a 404
- tremon 8y agoThanks! That notice is a far cry from the "within 48 hours of the revocation" as suggested in the article. It's actually two months grace period with normal domain availability, followed by ten months of suspension (domain will be removed from the published zone, but not available for reuse). The most important wording is this, I think (save for the flag day, the text is the same in both scenarios): From $flagday, EURid will NOT allow the registration of any new domain name where the registrant country code is either GB/GI. On $flagday, EURid will again notify by email both GB/GI registrants and their registrars that their domain name(s) is not in compliance with the .eu regulatory framework. Registrants will be given the possibility to demonstrate their compliance with the .eu regulatory framework by updating their contact data [..] During this two-month period, the domain names in question will remain active. As of ${flagday +2months}, all registrants who did not demonstrate their eligibility will be deemed ineligible and their domain names will be WITHDRAWN. A WITHDRAWN domain name no longer functions, as the domain name is removed from the zone file and can no longer support any active services (such as websites or email). Twelve months after the UK withdrawal, i.e. on ${flagday +12months}, all the affected domain names will be REVOKED, and will become AVAILABLE for general registration. Their release will occur in batches from the time they become available. Where $flagday is either the Brexit date (29 March 2019) in case of a no-deal, or the end of the transition period (1 January 2021) in case a withdrawal agreement is in place.
- londons_explore 8y agoAre they just angling for everyone with a British postal addrrss to Pay a transfer fee?
- matthewmacleod 8y agoHonestly my bigger concern is what AWS is going to call eu-west-2 now… It should generally have been expected that this would happen in line with the rules. Bit silly, but there we go. Proxy registrants are available.
- scaryclam 8y agoThe eu part of the aws naming means Europe, not the European union.
- SeaSeaRider 8y agoAmazing how many people don’t understand the difference!
- matthewmacleod 8y agoOkay, lame joke – but I'm both aware of that, and know that even if it weren't the case it wouldn't have to change.
- Piskvorrr 8y agoSure. Isn't this datacenter in London, though? Privacy and data retention and whatnot...FWIW, there seem to be some anecdota of data migrations to Ireland and Frankfurt, everywhere I bring this question up (except for some British companies moving their data the opposite way).
- jobigoud 8y agoWeird considering domains in .su (soviet union) are still around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su
- anonymou2 8y agoIn Soviet Russia domain own you!
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- cardinalfang 8y agoThe British foreign minister did say the EU was the same as the USSR, so maybe they inherited the domain.
- int_19h 8y agoICANN wanted to withdraw that, but Russia asked to keep it. This case is different, because it's not about whether .eu should exist, or who controls it - that part is not under dispute. It's about the owners of .eu deciding who can own subdomains in it.
- anfilt 8y agoPretty petty if you ask me. ICANN generally lets things be grandfathered in. However, it is a country code domain so they can administer it how they want.
- afandian 8y agoThe UK's conduct has been appalling. I am deeply ashamed about how my government has conducted itself, and represented the people of the UK. I think the EU's response has been restrained if anything.
- SeaSeaRider 8y agoThreatening to delete domains for political reasons is “restrained”? I hate brexit probably as much as everyone here, but the institution of the EU has not come out of this any better than the Tory government.
- afandian 8y agoI feel like they've been quite consistent in their rules-are-rules stance. And the UK has taken the "rules are meant to be broken" stance, which was a risky gamble and showed poor judgment. This news was a surprise to me, but I wouldn't be further surprised if this procedure is explained in rules that the UK had a hand in drafting.
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoThe EU can claim the moral high ground here; they have remained politically professional and not petty, unlike the UK who did the referendum in the first place as a petty political play, and who is now massively voting against a deal, each for their own reasons; the deal is bad, we don't want to leave the EU so let's postpone or force the UK to stay, or we want to force re-elections.
- bkor 8y agoUK was offered a deal. They've rejected a deal which was pretty extensive and handled loads of things. UK chose to leave, UK got a way better deal than they should, UK rejected it, cake is going away, still is on the EU? Really?
- aaron695 8y agoThe top eu domain is torrentz2.eu (From this undated random website) https://domaintyper.com/top-websites/most-popular-websites-with-eu-domain https://domaintyper.com/top-websites/most-popular-websites-w...
- ahje 8y agoAnyone know if British trademarks will be valid in the EU post-Brexit? If not, this will open up quite a big risk for domain hijackings.
- zaarn 8y agoAn EU trademark would not be valid in the UK and companies would have to apply separately for an UK trademark. The way it works usually (IIRC) is that while the EU trademark is valid in the entire EU, it isn't an actual trademark in each country and in case the EU trademark is invalidated you have to apply for a trademark in each country and each country can challenge your trademark by their laws. I would then assume that with brexit, since UK is no longer part of the EU, the EU trademark isn't revoked but seizes to be valid.
- ahje 8y agoIn other words, easy pickings for anyone who wants to get hold of email domains with good domain rep in order to use them for spamming.
- alias_neo 8y agoIt's quite worrying for security; imagine if some API used by some slightly older code uses an .eu, now someone can go but that domain, issue a trusted certificate and hijack the system using it. Of course the risk is no greater than usual but the same could apply for fraudulent sites popping up.
- C1sc0cat 8y agoNot sure I have ever seen a company use a .eu domain - which I suspect was set up as a vanity project by the eu.
- jarfil 8y agoI think it's mostly being used by European institutions, but there are notable exceptions like http://leave.eu http://leave.eu a pro-Brexit campaign which would lose its domain (the irony).
- Piskvorrr 8y agoI see a fair number of them - mostly by mid-sized European manufacturing companies. The rationale seems to be "Where's sprockets.at? Who knows? (Austria btw) sprockets.eu? Probably in the EU." Usually there's a local country domain as well, with one of them being canonical.
- alias_neo 8y agoProbably for the same reason I don't use the .uk aliases I own. They confuse people, .com, people can deal with, .co.uk people can deal with, but older and non-technical people can struggle with what is out of the norm (although not new). These people, unlike us techies aren't visiting .io domains or .xyx domains. When I've tried to use .uk sufficient people have understood it to mean .co.uk that is was a problem.
- stunt 8y agoThis news is written in a really weird way, and I can't believe that it is not intentional. Of course, if the commission is going to do it, it will explain why it is required, what it is going to happen, and how is it going to happen and they will make sure nobody is harmed because of this transition. Don't be naive!
- alias_neo 8y agoYou may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. It may be that the news is following a certain rhetoric, but, it seems clear that the likes of Merkel intend to do this, she's all but said as much. My point here is that when one person is telling you they want to do harm, people will take to believing it when it's presented elsewhere. My problem with news like this, is that I see people interpreting it as "look, EC is evil and trying to screw us, we really should leave". Really, I think we should see it as, "we're leaving the EU, they're afraid others will do the same and want to use us as a deterrent".
- growlist 8y agoI wonder whether any other trading union in the world would act in such a tyrannical way should one of its members decide it's had enough. Hell hath no fury like the EU spurned. Reminds me of the Soviet union: 'our socialist utopia is so fantastic that we have to shoot anyone that tries to leave'.
- Marazan 8y agoImagine a country leaving a trading block and then acting suprised it doesn't get any of the benefits of being a member of the block.
- Piskvorrr 8y agoReally? EU offered deal, British parliament rejected it, on A50 timeout the UK will drop out, as it is apparently trying to. If that is your idea of shooting the leavers...well...I don't think it means what you think it means. In all, I'm growing increasingly convinced this is a Monty Python sketch: "We want out!" "Ok." "Help, help, we're being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!!!"
- Piskvorrr 8y agoThat looks rather suspicious. Unsourced, hush-hush secret, share before the Illuminati delete this!
- SeaSeaRider 8y agoThis would be an unhinged move; essentially deleting domains for political reasons. Any business doing due-diligence would be forced to move from their .eu domain.
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoPolitical reasons? Yes, the UK is leaving the EU, they do not WANT to be part of the EU anymore. Letting go of a domain extension is only a small price to pay in comparison. They can't have their cake and eat it too - leave means leave. That's 250.000 domains whose owners and (if applicable) personnel had the option to vote remain. Of course, they can still move to remain in the EU after all.
- SeaSeaRider 8y agoThe terrifying thing is that people with your mindset are actually part of the bureaucracy of the EU. No credible company will keep a .EU domain if they go ahead with this unhinged plan to delete 250000 domains.
- bkor 8y ago> bureaucracy of the EU The EU is actually quite efficient with its money considering all the things it does. Probably because loads of things are done centrally instead of repeated across 27 countries. This despite the stupid continuous moving between Brussels and Strasbourg.
- robertony 8y agoCan you please provide sources for how EU centeralized government is more efficient with it's money than decenteralized systems used in places like the Netherlands and the UK?
- bkor 8y agoI've said that some things are done on EU level, which does not need to be repeated across the various countries within the EU. Netherlands is part of the EU, it doesn't need to repeat those things. According to http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/myths/myths_en.cfm http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/myths/myths_en.cfm, the admin overhead for the budget is about 6%. Amount of people for admin is about 70k. That's nothing if you compare it to any big city, let alone to a country.
- abraae 8y agoPretty funny since a few years ago we bought a .eu domain for our company not based in Europe, UK or anywhere near.