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They don't seem to make the link that maybe Brexit is not such a bad idea after all, which seems a logical conclusion to me.

olivermarks 8y ago
I suspect that is the signal from the Rothchild empire - someone will have to pick up the Italian debt and the EU is arguably obsolete in its present form and wouldn't reform when it could prior to the UK referendum. (Rothchild own half the economist and it is largely their mouthpiece). Going forward and post UK exit from the EU (and probably other nation states too) there will be a reformation around some new organization...
- pas 8y ago
  "Aside from the Agnelli family, smaller shareholders in the company include Cadbury, Rothschild (21%), Schroder, Layton and other family interests as well as a number of staff and former staff shareholders." - from wikipedia
  - olivermarks 8y ago
    Exor and Rothchild are very tight indeed https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6E8FHATY20120417 https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6E8FHATY20120417 Exor hold 43% of the Economist the next biggest shareholder is the Rothschild family with 26% https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/15/economist-becomes-a-family-affair-agnellis https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/15/economist-beco...
pas 8y ago
The link between brexit and what? Also, why do you think brexit is not a bad idea?
- joejerryronnie 8y ago
  Kind of for the same reason the American Colonies split from England.
  - pas 8y ago
    Kind of, except in reverse. UK had a lot of power in internal-EU politics. Now it won't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It had the right and power to implement its own immigration policy. But it turns out the UK is so racist it doesn't even want to grant citizen status to those it had already granted to in law but then failed to process them.
- throw564d 8y ago
  For one thing it means that one person (e.g. Angela Merkel) doesn't get to unilaterally determine UKs immigration levels any longer.
  - lelima 8y ago
    Uk was one of the most powerful members of the EU before brexit and saying "one person (e.g. Angela Merkel) determine UKs immigration levels" is not correct. UK is not part of the Schengen Agreement, like, Ireland they can decide if a particularity nationality need a visa, I have dual nationality and I can enter Ireland or Uk without a visa using one passport and need a visa using another.
    - throw564d 8y ago
      Once the millions of migrants in Germany have the requisite EU papers they would be able to flood into the UK. Shengen is a complete red herring.
      - detaro 8y ago
        Asylum papers aren't citizenship, and do not give the rights a EU citizen has (I believe typically they don't allow to leave the country), so the UK can freely choose if it wants to let them in or not.
        dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
        > I believe typically they don't allow to leave the country They do: > You can travel to the so-called Schengen states (Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Romania , Sweden, Switzerland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary) without a visa, if you do not stay longer than three months and you do not work there. [0] In the EU that's a moot point anyway as I haven't seen any border control in years. So at least travel-wise they're quite free to move. [0] https://handbookgermany.de/en/rights-laws/asylum/blue-passport.html https://handbookgermany.de/en/rights-laws/asylum/blue-passpo...
macintux 8y ago
You think a recession in Europe will impact Britain less after Brexit? It’s not as if Britain will have more trading options.
- throw564d 8y ago
  being able to make trade deals outside the EU doesn't count then?
- makomk 8y ago
  The EU is actually pretty protectionist, to the point where Turkey got into some trouble with the WTO for implementing their trade policies as part of the customs union with the EU.

olivermarks 8y ago

I suspect that is the signal from the Rothchild empire - someone will have to pick up the Italian debt and the EU is arguably obsolete in its present form and wouldn't reform when it could prior to the UK referendum. (Rothchild own half the economist and it is largely their mouthpiece). Going forward and post UK exit from the EU (and probably other nation states too) there will be a reformation around some new organization...

pas 8y ago
"Aside from the Agnelli family, smaller shareholders in the company include Cadbury, Rothschild (21%), Schroder, Layton and other family interests as well as a number of staff and former staff shareholders." - from wikipedia
- olivermarks 8y ago
  Exor and Rothchild are very tight indeed https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6E8FHATY20120417 https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL6E8FHATY20120417 Exor hold 43% of the Economist the next biggest shareholder is the Rothschild family with 26% https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/15/economist-becomes-a-family-affair-agnellis https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/15/economist-beco...

pas 8y ago

The link between brexit and what? Also, why do you think brexit is not a bad idea?

joejerryronnie 8y ago
Kind of for the same reason the American Colonies split from England.
- pas 8y ago
  Kind of, except in reverse. UK had a lot of power in internal-EU politics. Now it won't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It had the right and power to implement its own immigration policy. But it turns out the UK is so racist it doesn't even want to grant citizen status to those it had already granted to in law but then failed to process them.
throw564d 8y ago
For one thing it means that one person (e.g. Angela Merkel) doesn't get to unilaterally determine UKs immigration levels any longer.
- lelima 8y ago
  Uk was one of the most powerful members of the EU before brexit and saying "one person (e.g. Angela Merkel) determine UKs immigration levels" is not correct. UK is not part of the Schengen Agreement, like, Ireland they can decide if a particularity nationality need a visa, I have dual nationality and I can enter Ireland or Uk without a visa using one passport and need a visa using another.
  - throw564d 8y ago
    Once the millions of migrants in Germany have the requisite EU papers they would be able to flood into the UK. Shengen is a complete red herring.
    - detaro 8y ago
      Asylum papers aren't citizenship, and do not give the rights a EU citizen has (I believe typically they don't allow to leave the country), so the UK can freely choose if it wants to let them in or not.
      - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
        > I believe typically they don't allow to leave the country They do: > You can travel to the so-called Schengen states (Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Romania , Sweden, Switzerland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary) without a visa, if you do not stay longer than three months and you do not work there. [0] In the EU that's a moot point anyway as I haven't seen any border control in years. So at least travel-wise they're quite free to move. [0] https://handbookgermany.de/en/rights-laws/asylum/blue-passport.html https://handbookgermany.de/en/rights-laws/asylum/blue-passpo...

macintux 8y ago

You think a recession in Europe will impact Britain less after Brexit? It’s not as if Britain will have more trading options.

throw564d 8y ago
being able to make trade deals outside the EU doesn't count then?
makomk 8y ago
The EU is actually pretty protectionist, to the point where Turkey got into some trouble with the WTO for implementing their trade policies as part of the customs union with the EU.