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Design flaw behind MacBook Pro’s “stage light” effect
- DGAP 8y agoI love my MBP - when my employer pays for it. I'd never buy a $3K machine with this many issues on my own dollar.
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- TomVDB 8y agoI absolutely love my MBP, the 15" retina from 2012. I just spent $90 for a replacement battery, and after 2 hours of disassembly and reassembly, it's back to being a fantastic workhorse. But there's no way I'd buy a new one for myself today.
- reubenswartz 8y agoDid the same thing. Not even considering upgrading (although the 32GB of RAM is nice).
- threatofrain 8y agoProbably one of the reasons why these laptops are so expensive.
- rhinoceraptor 8y agoYou can use flat-flex cables instead of wires without these issues, for example all of the Nintendo folding handhelds use them. And those are durable enough to stand up to children abusing them for years on end. They have the flat flex make a loop to allow the flex strain to be spread out, rather than bending it at one specific point.
- ProAm 8y agoThose cables add quite a bit of weight though.
- Someone1234 8y agoWhat cables are you referring to? The comment you replied to said that Apple and Nintendo use the same type of cable but with Nintendo having more slack to eat up strain.
- jandrese 8y agoThe DS is much much thicker than the Macbook. The larger bend radius no doubt helps the cables not fatigue as quickly, in addition to having more slack.
- tivert 8y agoThe cables don't look like they weigh more than a few grams.
- rhinoceraptor 8y agoThe cables themselves don't add basically any weight, you're only adding a centimeter or two of it, just make a loop so the cable doesn't strain. The 3DS actually has four cables running through its hinge: the LCD ribbon, the camera ribbon, the speaker ribbon, and the wifi antenna cable. The problem is you need to make the hinge physically larger, which apparently Apple is unwilling to do.
- ChrisRR 8y agoI think the difference is that Nintendo roll up their flex cables so that there's plenty of slack, which is fine if you've got the space. From the looks of these pictures, the macbook just passes the flex cable straight through which put stress on the cable. The Nintendo cable are definitely not indestructible. There's a hell of a lot of broken DSs out there.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago> The Nintendo cable are definitely not indestructible. There's a hell of a lot of broken DSs out there. They may not be indestructible but the replacement flex cables can be bought for next to nothing and replacing them is trivial for anyone with basic electronics skills.
- rhinoceraptor 8y agoFrom my limited experience, I've never seen the ribbon cables fail from opening/closing the console. The failures I've seen (and fixed) are the bottom case breaking where it holds the hinge spring detent thing.
- petard 8y agoDoes this affect only touch-bar MBPs or every post 2016 model?
- snazz 8y agoIt’s unclear, considering that the Touch Bar was mentioned in the article, but I’m guessing that it affects all models since the display cabling is not specific to the Touch Bar design.
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 8y agoIt also affects non Touch Bar models as can be seen in this video[1]. At 0:41 you can see the function keys. [1] https://youtu.be/NzjoELvrkYo https://youtu.be/NzjoELvrkYo
- jandrese 8y agoIt affects the touch-bar generation of machines. So even the poverty model with real function keys suffers.
- exhilaration 8y agoThe full list is here: https://flexgate.me/ https://flexgate.me/
- _bxg1 8y agoBeen considering upgrading my last-gen-design MBP to a new one... maybe I'll hold off on that.
- symfoniq 8y agoI recommend holding off. I actually sold my 2017 and went back to a 2015.
- arvinsim 8y agoTsk, just updated during the holidays. Now I have to be extra careful with it.
- jandrese 8y agoIn this case being careful means not opening and closing the screen.
- _bxg1 8y agoYeah. I'm not offended by the keyboard or the touch bar like many people are, but it's seeming like a good idea to let them work out the various technical difficulties before dropping a couple grand.
- MassiveOwl 8y agoSeriously don't. I have a 2013 MBP that's my own, then a 2018 MBP that's my work machine. I alternate between working on both and I can't stand the '18's keyboard, it feels similar to typing on mouse buttons, tactile but doesn't register well Zero difference in the track pad that i've noticed either. This is 3500 GBP machine that is basically just pretty looking and sleek. I do enjoy the touchbar though, although I never expected to - some things are easily done on it, such as changing the colour of terminal windows, or having Spotify constantly live on it (which is great!)
- Chernobog 8y agoIn Norway we have 5 years of "reklamasjon" on products that are supposed to last considerably longer than two years, such as a laptop. It is sort of a government mandated warranty on top of the regular one. I have had 4 year and 11 months old stuff that I have gotten replaced or repaired free of charge. Wonder how products would have been designed if this was a thing globally (or at least in the top 3 biggest markets). Anyone else who thinks "a whole lot more durable and repairable" is a reasonable guess?
- qubex 8y agoI love Norway. Best friend is Norwegian and lives there, I never cease to be amazed by the level of common sense and decency that pervades everything I see and come in contact with.
- Max_aaa 8y agoIn NZ there is the "Consumer Guarantees Act": https://www.consumerprotection.govt.nz/general-help/consumer-laws/consumer-guarantees-act/ https://www.consumerprotection.govt.nz/general-help/consumer... Which basically adds a government mandated warranty for goods and services sold to consumers (non-businesses).
- chris_wot 8y agoIn Australia the CCL means that if Apple cause a problem like this, they have to repair the product. There's a good chance that they might get a 4 year old Macbook Air and have to fix it for this issue.
- stephen_g 8y agoApple tend to be pretty good at that anyway. They gave me the top-spec mid-2015 MacBook Pro I'm writing this comment on for free when the graphics chip in my 2011 MacBook died a couple of times, before there was even an official replacement program. The consumer law only guarantees for two years (although I think there is some provision for extra "expected life" of a product, can't remember exactly), and I didn't have Apple Care, so they didn't have to do that.
- raincom 8y agoThat's why Apple sells applecare+ for these machines. Expect the lifetime of these new MBPs to be 3 years.
- snazz 8y agoThe most important quote from the article: > But the bigger problem is that, in an apparent effort to make the display as thin as possible, Apple designed the cables as part of the display, so they cannot be replaced. This means that when (not if) those cables start to fail, the entire display unit needs to be replaced, as opposed to one or two little cables—effectively turning a $6 problem into a $600 disaster. This is beyond crazy. How much more space would it take up to make the ribbon cables replaceable?
- nothis 8y agoI tend to defend Apple because I believe their commitment to "quality" as a being defined by every possible angle of hardware and software design as opposed to one, simple, established measurement, is something computer/device design needs (i.e., putting "unmeasurable" quality aspects like good UI design on the same level as measurable ones like processor speed). But they fuck up, sometimes. The one-button mouse made no sense, for example. But in terms of raw hardware, it's their over-commitment to thinness. Like, who cares? I think there was a good movement to at least try and make laptops thinner, somewhere around the late 00s. There's a point between 4cm and 2.5cm that really made sense to me, in order to make laptops more portable (their main feature). But then, it got ridiculous. They shaved off a millimeter every year and at one point, it started to negatively affect the products. You could probably heighten the battery life quite a bit by adding 2 or 3 millimeters of thickness, you would prevent the keyboard rubbing onto the display (see "staingate"), and now this shit about cables being so goddamn thin they literally break. This is their "Pro" line, as in "professional". I use my MacBook Pro professionally. I could not care less about whatever millimeter they shaved off the thing at the cost of making it more brittle. Sturdiness is a very "professional" quality and it looks like it's not in their list of priorities anymore. Meanwhile, MacBook Pro prices reach the $3000 mark. It seems obvious enough to me for Apple to realize they've fucked up. Just like their last iOS update – oh wonder! – focused on speed rather than gimmicks, I hope their next MacBook hardware update will re-discover sturdiness as a selling point.
- ramses0 8y agoThe Wal-Mart of laptops: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/011815/how-walmart-model-wins-everyday-low-prices.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/01181... ...instead of consistently asking suppliers for 1-3% wholesale discount per year, Apple is asking engineers for 0.3mm-1mm thinness reduction per year.
- gepeto42 8y agoReminds me of the old plastic iBooks (white ones) which would either snag the cables in the housing, or have the backlight power lines crack in the logic board.
- noonespecial 8y agoThe farther this goes the more I just want my 2012 body with 2018 specs. I'd actually pay more for this option.
- ProAm 8y agoHonest question, but how much would you pay for this model? $7000 USD?
- noonespecial 8y agoMake it full-on 2019 state of the art specs and I would. My 2012 still works great. If I could expect that kind of life, 7k for that makes it seem like a bargain over the current lot.
- dwighttk 8y agoSame here, This thing doesn’t show any signs of breaking down. I chalk it up mostly to the ssd instead of a spinning disk which always seemed to be the part that wore out on my previous machines.
- taude 8y agoWhere do you get $7K? It really seems like Apple could stop over engineering their hardware, add some ports, maybe make it a mm or two thicker, add up to a pound in weight, and still have a 5 pound 15" professional work horse?
- ProAm 8y agoI just made up the $7k, but the OP mentioned he'd be willing to pay more for that, I already think the MBPs are overpriced so I was curious how much more he'd be willing to pay for a functional laptop again. I wasn't being snarky and it was a real question. How much would an Apple user be willing to pay for a laptop that had what they wanted in it.
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- Polyisoprene 8y agoHopefully more regulations will come forcing the manufacturers to think about reparability. Not sure where the EU right to repair ended up, but it seems more to be optional and just give better labelling.
- ucaetano 8y agoHow much more would you be willing to pay for reparability? 20%? 40%? And how much more weight/volume would you be willing to accept for reparability? PS: Honest, curious question here, not rhetorical.
- fgandiya 8y agoHonestly, I won't mind that extra 40% if it meant that I could use the device for a few more years. Weight for me is a hard compromise, but the pre-touchbar Macs weren't necessarily heavy.
- ucaetano 8y agoCool, thanks for the honest answer!
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoLook at how much people are paying for equivalent specification ThinkPads and you'll have your answer.
- ucaetano 8y agoThose are hardly directly comparable products (as in a commodity product), as a product includes branding, OS, support, etc. You can't just look at hardware specs and think that two consumers would find the products directly comparable. Sure, you could design a multivariate survey to figure out the willingness to pay and so on, but that's pretty complex, so that's why I'm just asking here for personal opinions. PS: I'm not claiming that the products are not in the same level, or one is better than the other, just that such a comparison is made on a personal consumer basis and is largely subjective.
- phlm 8y agoI just can’t see any sane person buying these machines with their own money. I am still on my 2015 13” rMBP, but boy if I had to upgrade to a new machine, I would probably look elsewhere. And mostly because of the hardware, what an irony...
- brk 8y agoI'm in the same position. My MBA has got to be 5 years old. I would be willing to replace/upgrade it, yet everything current seems like a compromise in some way (if not compromise in direct features, compromise in what you really net in upgraded performance for the price).
- cs02rm0 8y agoLikewise, I've a late 2013, i7 with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD. Things have moved on, it's been 5 years, but not that much. And my MBP still works. I only intended on having it for 2-3 years before upgrading - it's paid for by my business and is critical to my work. And yet what's putting me off a new purchase is that the new models are vastly less attractive propositions than they would have been had they just followed pace without touchbars, butterfly keyboards, T2 chips and thin wires you can't replace. Apple today seem lost with respect to Macbooks and I can't see things improving. I fear I'm going Linux on a Dell XPS at some point this year and I hated the last Dell I had.
- cntlzw 8y agoWhat is your problem with the hardware? The current MacBook Pros has an 8th gen. i7 and up to 32 GB Ram. Pretty good hardware if you ask me. Would I pay for it out of my own pocket? No. But I wouldn't buy a current ThinkPad either. It is just too much money for a mere mortal.
- zelos 8y agoI really don't understand Apple's obsessions with thinness. Do they really think that a few millimetres off the depth of a laptop is worth sacrificing reliability like this? I thought the same during the last iPhone keynote where they touted "an extra 30 minutes of battery life" as a major feature: just make it slightly thicker and you could add hours to the battery life.
- oth001 8y agoI think it's all in their interest of making more money.
- Someone1234 8y agoIt is the "sex" factor. Meaning, it makes no sense, but a lot of people buy consumer hardware because of how sexy it is which means thin, light, and attractive design trumps a lot of core utility. I buy Thinkpads because they are more utilitarian. But we cannot ignore that Apple's entire M.O. has always been making the thinnest/most attractive devices money can buy. I'll just keep voting with my wallet until Apple releases a utilitarian machine again. The recent Mac Mini is the closest we've seen.
- war1025 8y agoI have a Thinkpad through work and the main thing I notice with it is that the hard edge at the front is a killer on my wrists. Is this not a thing other people run into?
- calimac 8y agoApple has officially lost it's compass. It only took 7 years post Jobs. The ecosystem Jobs envisioned is the glue that is holding the mismanaged behemoth together. They could correct it by having a semblance of ethical customer service. (have you heard the bullshit minimum wage geniuses sell to people at the repair bar?)
- crankylinuxuser 8y agoWhen will people finally realize that Apple hardware is a status symbol, and not indicative of quality any more? How many more disasters, mishaps, and otherwise shoddy QA do they have to have before people start demanding something else? Edit: "Nice". Disagree and suffer the wrath of -1's and ratelimiting.
- symfoniq 8y agoI think many people do realize this, but need macOS for various reasons.
- dmtroyer 8y agoWell, my anecdotal experience includes five different MBPs over the last nine years and I haven't had trouble with any of them. I'll continue to buy MBPs and ask for them at work.
- chrisseaton 8y ago> When will people finally realize that Apple hardware is a status symbol, and not indicative of quality any more? In my practical experience it is higher quality than other hardware.
- crankylinuxuser 8y agoI'm sure in a superficial, artistic way, it appears higher quality. But the moment you dig further than skin deep, there's glaring flaws after glaring flaws. The machine is nigh unupgradable, being soldered and glued at the seams. If the mainboard is fried (usb3 cables?), the SSD is not recoverable. There's also other various "failures if you look inside" like this issue. One only needs to do a cursory search. One recent major issue is that a speck of dust destroys keys on their keyboards. Another issue pertaining to the laptop is that they are forcing with each update the APP-ification with continual hurdles to make it harder to install nonstore software. Now sure, if you want to build for iOS, you need something running OSX. And the only corporate solution is an apple. I get that dependency well, stinks. But I don't make bones that their superficial beauty is only skin deep.
- docker_up 8y agoI don't understand the arrogance and the stubbornness of Apple to keep that stupid Touch Bar. They have completely lost me as a customer because I absolutely refuse to buy a Macbook Pro until they give me the OPTION of a regular keyboard. The fact they are arrogant enough to think they don't need to provide me with the option makes me angry as a consumer, and I'm about to ditch it completely at this point and go to a Surface Pro.
- samdixon 8y agoTouchbar would be really cool if they would just move it up a slot and re-implement the fn row side by side.
- xutopia 8y agoBut then... what would the Touchbar offer that the keys don't already?
- QML 8y agoThere’s more usage to the touchbar than replicating the media controls of the fn keys. For example if you wanted to smoothly scrub through a video, a continuous Touch Bar would make more sense than two discrete keys.
- coryfklein 8y agoAn ancillary lighted display that distracts you with bright colored buttons when you're trying to watch Netflix.
- komali2 8y agoHow dare you use the machine Wrong. Doff your turtleneck, peasant. Apple does, and everyone else listens. Even after making fun of apple... Headphone jack and the stupid fucking notch are the best example of companies falling over themselves to be like Apple.
- wooly_bully 8y agoI'm frustrated being on a 2016-era MB Air and feeling like I don't anything to upgrade to without a touchbar now. Once this machine kicks the bucket, I may just buy another of the same one instead of upgrading (if they still sell it by then).
- equivocates 8y agoI like the Touch Bar. I use it all the time contextually in whatever app I am using. For regular, non-tech users, I've noticed that they use it too. It allows those folks to quickly access options that were previously keyboard shortcuts. As an aside, I also enjoy the quick access to emojis.
- Osiris 8y agoI'm really not a fan, but recently I noticed that WebStorm (IntelliJ) supports it and when looking down to find the F7 key (find all references), I was pleasantly surprised to see the option right there on the TouchBar. Now, if I could figure out how to customize which options appeared on it, that would be great. I think the biggest problem with it was 1) Replaced existing keys that people used 2) No apps had been updated to use it Now that more apps use it, I can start to see some benefit from it.
- dmtroyer 8y agoI've been using a MacBook Pro 13" or 15" professionally for the last 9 years. I wouldn't use anything else. I don't use the touchbar but I don't mind it. I also appreciate that they are getting thinner and lighter as I regularly carry them in a bag on my shoulder or on my bike.
- tomduncalf 8y agoIn the same boat, the weight and lightness does matter to me and I'd be really pleased with an even lighter 15" - but it shouldn't come at the expense of reliability, obviously!
- TheLoneAdmin 8y ago> I don't use the touchbar but I don't mind it. How do you press "Escape"? did you remap it to another key?
- dawnerd 8y agoNot OP but I haven’t found the digital escape to be an issue.
- dmtroyer 8y agoI should say, I don't regularly use it. Yes I have to use the escape key and the occasional display brightness change. I mostly use a magic keyboard.
- sdflhasjd 8y agoI remapped mine to Caps-lock
- jjtheblunt 8y agocontrol [ IS escape
- dingaling 8y agoOnly on a US keyboard
- cptskippy 8y agoThe Mitsubishi Pedion had this exact same design flaw almost 20 years ago. I stupidly spent $400 on a replacement screen only to have it happen 6 months later.
- pier25 8y agoI bought an iMac because I needed an upgrade and couldn't stand the 2016+ laptops models. Before the iMac I bought a 2015 MBP and sold it a couple of months later because the integrated GPU was seriously lacking and the 4th gen CPU got extremely hot and loud. Thank god I don't need portability anymore because Apple laptops have been nothing but disappointment for the past 4 years.
- taude 8y agoWhat are some good alternatives these days to MB-pros? I'm likely not going to get another, and don't mind giving up a little in size/weight for ports, simplicity, etc. Any good threads on the web to point me to to save me some research time? I still think my 2014 11" MB AIR is the best laptop I've ever owned, despite the screen being woefully drab this day and age.
- boyband6666 8y agoI switchd to a HP touchscreen. Sounds like a gimmick, but it gives you a much faster way of working for big buttons (new mail, etc) Check out the Spectres for quality and value. I've been impressed.
- chooseaname 8y agoWouldn't one of the things you test on a laptop design be how many times you can open and close the lid? Surely Apple has a robot already that does this? If not, why not? This seems like it would have been caught had they done this.
- insubstantial 8y agoThis is a discussion on Hacker News where nothing useful is said, and I am unapologetic for expressing this sentiment.
- fipple 8y agoI don’t see this as an artifact of Steve Jobs’ absence as much as I see it as an artifact of any company that gets so successful behind just a handful of products. Eventually to drive revenue growth you start needing to focus on gimmicky bullshit instead of just power and features, like absurd thinness and the natural consequence is flexible iPads and unrepairable MacBooks.
- malchow 8y agoI wonder if Apple's hardware design troubles would be ameliorated if ICs had to buy their own work machines using their own post-tax money. EDIT: And could only use machines in the workplace that are release+12 months old?
- geophile 8y agoThis is yet another consequence of Apple's new approach to design, "Reality Distortion Field 2.0". I posted this here a few days ago, but seems relevant to this discussion: https://github.com/geophile/reality-distortion-field https://github.com/geophile/reality-distortion-field
- boyband6666 8y agoThis generation was the one that made me finally give up on MBPs, and now I'm even more glad. The lack of 8th gen intel, removal of magsafe (an innovation they were previous, rightly, proud of), lack of actual touchscreen, and ever increasing prices. Other friends who do a lot of photography (a key market for apple!?) were miffed at the removal of the SD card slot. I went for a HP Spectre and have been very impressed. touchscreen changes things entirely - reading papers is a joy. Giving a demo is easy with a 360 degre hinge so i can prop it on the table... oh and it was half the price, for better specs (the resolution is crazy). I'm still open to MBPs in the future, as I loved my 2010, 2012, and 2014 versions, but they need to look at what made them great for the 'pro' market, and think about how to servie that, not just turn them in to a more expensive version for the image conscious.
- minedwiz 8y agoI really do wish they'd go touchscreen. Several times per week, I try to touch my work MBP's screen because I'm so used to my surface that I use at home.
- QML 8y agoI don’t think Apple will ever release a 2-in-1. Why? It’ll cannibalize their own product lines, the MacBook Pro and iPad Pro. Microsoft doesn’t really have that issue, and hence can make that product. Honestly, there’s an opportunity here for some companies like Microsoft and Google to catch up in terms of innovation by designing products that Apple would never.
- npunt 8y agoApple has never been shy to cannibalize their own sales, in fact it's straight out of the Steve Jobs playbook (“If you don’t cannibalize yourself, someone else will”). I'd challenge you to find a company better at it than they are. Examples include: iPod mini cannibalizing iPod iPhone cannibalizing all iPods iPad cannibalizing Macs iPad (2017) cannibalizing iPad Pro iPhone XR cannibalizing iPhone XS They're even organized to support product cannibalization, being functionally organized instead of divisionally. If they had an 'iPod division', that division would fight tooth & nail against the 'iPhone division' to keep their P&L running. They're not doing a 2-in-1 because it's not a product they feel makes sense right now. That's all.
- harshulpandav 8y agoSlightly off-topic but I'd like to mention -- I have never been happy by their decision of getting rid of the Headphone jack (and other ports). Laptop is meant to be a portable device and it needs to be self-sufficient. But in case of the new MacBooks you have to keep adapters handy at all times. Using bluetooth for audio draws more battery than wired ones, though negligible, but still matters over long runs. Also, you have to make sure your bluetooth earphones/speakers are charged as well. EDIT - Disregard my comment. I had Apple iPhone in mind while writing for MacBook. Guess I was misplaced in space and time.
- cpr 8y agoThey didn't get rid of the headphone jack on laptops. Even the latest models still have one.
- sosborn 8y agoWhat? Unless I am missing something, all of the current mac laptops have audio ports.
- harshulpandav 8y agoYou're right. My bad. I have added an edit to my comment.
- smileysteve 8y agoAnd if thinness and light weightness are such priorities for apple; if you're removing the headphone jack, it seems almost reasonable to go back to external bluetooth speakers... welcome back to the 90s.
- oneplane 8y agoI wonder how this type of 'small' issue with a 'big' effect gets past QA/QC. You'd think it would have failed during standard mechanical usage tests, but apparently it didn't, or didn't fail reliably? It's a stupid issue of course, but I'm more interested in how this type of thing isn't caught.
- anoncow 8y agoHave had the same issue with a 2015 MBA. Got charged 300 USD for a display swap.
- tonymet 8y agoHave you seen the new mac commercial with all the different artists? They were all using the pre-usb-c macbooks. The usb-c macbooks aren't tools, they are accessories. I'm still using my 2014 macbook and will never likely buy another mac.
- highace 8y agoI'd love to get something other than a MacBook, but the trackpad compensates for every other flaw. It's also nice that there's no air vent on the bottom.
- kahlonel 8y agoA YouTube channel named UnboxTherapy posted a video showing keyboard problems with the latest gen butterfly switch. The switch design is inherently flawed, no amount of rubber can fix that. They need to go back to whatever they had in 2013.
- marcinzm 8y agoHappened to me, Macbook now has a useless display and I can either spend $600+ or have an overpriced desktop. Didn't even use it that much.
- Chris_Chambers 8y agoWhy do so many websites like to hide the scroll bar on mobile now? How are we supposed to estimate whether we have time to read the content? I have no idea how far down I am on the page in mobile Safari.
- synaesthesisx 8y agoThe right thing to do would be for Apple to offer extended warranty replacements for this issue (like they finally did with the whole keyboard fiasco).
- altmind 8y agoApple, providing mere 12 month standard warranty does not feel like a premium product. $270 apple care(~20% of product price) pushes the cost of fixing product design mistake on the users. This is not how it should be. Edit: You may consider buying your next apple device using a credit card that offers extended warranty. For example, C___ double cash adds 2 years of extended warranty on top of manufacturer's. Am__ offers 1 year extended warranty.
- reaperducer 8y agoWhile the article blames the quest for thinness in the current generation of MacBook Pros, I have a 17" MBP from 2006 that also has this "stage light" issue. And this is a machine with a full optical drive and removable battery. At least now I know the cause. Too bad my hands are really too big to fix it on my own.
- fernly 8y agoThe article mentions the possibility of a similar problem with the new Air. For curiosity I went to iFixit to see what the current (2017) macbook has. It appears[1] to be a much longer cable that flexes over a longer radius. [1] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Retina+MacBook+2017+Display+Assembly+Replacement/104756#s178616 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Retina+MacBook+2017+Display+Ass...
- htk 8y agoI was about to buy a MacBook Pro 15", 1TB of storage and 32GB RAM, for work, and this weakness made me reconsider it. One thing that I don't understand: I'm pretty sure Apple has a machine to open/close the lid a million times to test the hinges etc, how didn't it catch this "flaw"?
- jploh 8y agoThe worst part of this is it's not replaceable. I have a mid-2011 MBP still running in great condition. Its flaw is the HDD SATA flex cable that is prone to break which is replaceable and available on Amazon.
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