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Hi, I'm involved in this project. If anyone here is a skilled C programmer interested in getting paid to improve Wine and Proton, please throw me an email (see

Hi, I'm involved in this project. If anyone here is a skilled C programmer interested in getting paid to improve Wine and Proton, please throw me an email (see profile or use your detective skills to find my work email).

jacobush 8y ago
I wrote on keybase
v_lisivka 8y ago
Sorry, but Rust is much better language. It's extremely hard to switch back.
- tiuPapa 8y ago
  Damn the meme is strong.
- zanny 8y ago
  Beggars can't be choosers. There are way more people that want to write ethical freedom respecting code than there are people willing to pay for it. If I had an option to write Rust for a megacorp to fuck over customers or write C for the betterment of humanity you can be sure I'd go with the later.
- msla 8y ago
  And Common Lisp is better than Rust. What's your point?
- nickik 8y ago
  You do understand that you are not required to answer?
- EpicEng 8y ago
  I'm sure they're devastated at missing out on the opportunity of working with you.
penagwin 8y ago
Interesting, is CodeWeavers employed/contracted/collaborating with Valve?
- joshumax 8y ago
  Yep! I worked at CodeWeavers during Proton development and we were basically contracted by Valve to build the whole thing for them. Although if projects like that interest you, the work on supporting Wine on MacOS after they drop 32 bit application support is amazing!
  - favorited 8y ago
    > supporting Wine on MacOS after they drop 32 bit application support Steam itself still looks be 32-bit on macOS: lipo -info /Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/steam_osx Non-fat file: /Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/steam_osx is architecture: i386
    - cprecioso 8y ago
      The executable in /Applications is 32-bit, but it's just a launcher for the real Steam app in ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/Steam.AppBundle which is 64-bit.
      - favorited 8y ago
        Ahh thank you! I knew I was missing something... I'd get the alert message, then the Steam app would seemingly close and re-launch. I wonder why it is architected like that.
        cprecioso 8y ago
        I guess that it's like that in order to be able to update the executable for non-privileged users (who can't write to /Applications), which could be e.g. kids' user accounts in the family computer.
52-6F-62 8y ago
Just wanted to say before I picked up my Windows desktop I tried out CrossOver to play a few games on my MBP. Worked brilliantly. Wish my C chops were better! Anyway, nice work. Envious of the wood shop.
sandGorgon 8y ago
Quick question if you don't mind - what do the valve guys think of Windows Subsystem for Linux ? It's tempting even for me (who has used only Linux for 20 years now). https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wlinux-windows10-wsl&num=3 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wlinux-w... In most tests, WLinux and WLinux Enterprise simply performed inline with the other Linux distributions benchmarked. Performance is pretty much at par (and in some cases better than Linux). Do you guys envision a long term disruption in this space ?
- nimish 8y ago
  Filesystem performance is closer to windows than linux which can be a deal-killer. Probably not for games.
  - seabrookmx 8y ago
    > Filesystem performance is closer to windows than linux Well.. filesystem performance is just bad under WSL period. Much worse than native NTFS or ext4 on the same hardware. It's so far from both that saying it's closer to one or the other doesn't _really_ make sense.
- ghostly_s 8y ago
  How is WSL relevant to the needs of Linux gamers?
  - sangnoir 8y ago
    Or Windows gamers for that matter - it's not like there are a bunch of closed-source linux games that need WSL to run on Windows. I am puzzled by the assumption that Valve engineers somehow have a (professional) opinion on WSL
- bisby 8y ago
  I imagine the stance is that Linux is meant to be a backup plan to Microsoft closing things down. WSL keeps you locked in with Microsoft. It has the benefits of easing someone into Linux so they can migrate to Linux full time. But it doesn't resolve any of the same problems as "Why support Linux gaming in general?" Because the biggest one is the whole Microsoft thing.
westmeal 8y ago
Love you guys for doing this, keep it up!
eksu 8y ago
Looking forward to the eventual release of Proton for MacOS through DXVK, MoltenVK, etc.

jacobush 8y ago

I wrote on keybase

v_lisivka 8y ago

Sorry, but Rust is much better language. It's extremely hard to switch back.

tiuPapa 8y ago
Damn the meme is strong.
zanny 8y ago
Beggars can't be choosers. There are way more people that want to write ethical freedom respecting code than there are people willing to pay for it. If I had an option to write Rust for a megacorp to fuck over customers or write C for the betterment of humanity you can be sure I'd go with the later.
msla 8y ago
And Common Lisp is better than Rust. What's your point?
nickik 8y ago
You do understand that you are not required to answer?
EpicEng 8y ago
I'm sure they're devastated at missing out on the opportunity of working with you.

penagwin 8y ago

Interesting, is CodeWeavers employed/contracted/collaborating with Valve?

joshumax 8y ago
Yep! I worked at CodeWeavers during Proton development and we were basically contracted by Valve to build the whole thing for them. Although if projects like that interest you, the work on supporting Wine on MacOS after they drop 32 bit application support is amazing!
- favorited 8y ago
  > supporting Wine on MacOS after they drop 32 bit application support Steam itself still looks be 32-bit on macOS: lipo -info /Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/steam_osx Non-fat file: /Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/steam_osx is architecture: i386
  - cprecioso 8y ago
    The executable in /Applications is 32-bit, but it's just a launcher for the real Steam app in ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/Steam.AppBundle which is 64-bit.
    - favorited 8y ago
      Ahh thank you! I knew I was missing something... I'd get the alert message, then the Steam app would seemingly close and re-launch. I wonder why it is architected like that.
      - cprecioso 8y ago
        I guess that it's like that in order to be able to update the executable for non-privileged users (who can't write to /Applications), which could be e.g. kids' user accounts in the family computer.

52-6F-62 8y ago

Just wanted to say before I picked up my Windows desktop I tried out CrossOver to play a few games on my MBP. Worked brilliantly. Wish my C chops were better! Anyway, nice work. Envious of the wood shop.

sandGorgon 8y ago

Quick question if you don't mind - what do the valve guys think of Windows Subsystem for Linux ? It's tempting even for me (who has used only Linux for 20 years now). https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wlinux-windows10-wsl&num=3 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wlinux-w... In most tests, WLinux and WLinux Enterprise simply performed inline with the other Linux distributions benchmarked. Performance is pretty much at par (and in some cases better than Linux). Do you guys envision a long term disruption in this space ?

nimish 8y ago
Filesystem performance is closer to windows than linux which can be a deal-killer. Probably not for games.
- seabrookmx 8y ago
  > Filesystem performance is closer to windows than linux Well.. filesystem performance is just bad under WSL period. Much worse than native NTFS or ext4 on the same hardware. It's so far from both that saying it's closer to one or the other doesn't _really_ make sense.
ghostly_s 8y ago
How is WSL relevant to the needs of Linux gamers?
- sangnoir 8y ago
  Or Windows gamers for that matter - it's not like there are a bunch of closed-source linux games that need WSL to run on Windows. I am puzzled by the assumption that Valve engineers somehow have a (professional) opinion on WSL
bisby 8y ago
I imagine the stance is that Linux is meant to be a backup plan to Microsoft closing things down. WSL keeps you locked in with Microsoft. It has the benefits of easing someone into Linux so they can migrate to Linux full time. But it doesn't resolve any of the same problems as "Why support Linux gaming in general?" Because the biggest one is the whole Microsoft thing.

westmeal 8y ago

Love you guys for doing this, keep it up!

eksu 8y ago

Looking forward to the eventual release of Proton for MacOS through DXVK, MoltenVK, etc.