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Hitman Runner Mark Fellows Convicted of Murder on GPS Watch Data

58 points by danso 8y ago

tapland 8y ago
A bit confused they used the nickname 'Iceman'. That's the nickname of the well known https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski
- renholder 8y ago
  I imagine that's the nickname he had in English (?) the gang, yeah? They're probably can't be arsed to keep track of the used and infamous nicknames from gangs in the states.
  - tapland 8y ago
    The iceman nickname wasn't used for Kuklinsky in the mob. It was during media attention for his claimed body count of 200+ as a serial killer and mob hitman. Jack the Ripper has nothing on Kuklinski, but people can remember both.
    - renholder 8y ago
      Fellows was in a gang in the UK... That was his nickname in the gang in the UK. There's a vast ocean betwixt the states and England. While it's true that people can remember both names, it's far more likely that, in the UK, they'll remember the names of those closer to home - of the likes of Harold Shipman.
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    It could also be that the UK gang knew they were reusing a name, and considered that reuse part of their opsec. If anybody ever overheard the wrong conversation, they'd hear the name of a known and convicted hitman, which might lead them to believe the discussion they overheard was more mundane than they might otherwise have thought. For instance, battle tanks are called "tanks" today because when they were being developed by the British during WWI, they wanted a word that would obscure meaning to anybody who happened to overhear the word. They were originally called "Caterpillar Machine Gun Destroyers or Land Cruisers", which was very descriptive, so they decided to call them "water containers" instead. W.C. was considered an unsuitable initialism though, so they so they settled on "tank" as in "water tank". That name stuck so well, today most people never suspect it was originally meant to obscure meaning. But at the time, any german spy who overheard the wrong conversation would think the british were discussing a method of transporting water.
- reshie 8y ago
  the ice man you speak of was called that because he stored bodies in ice lockers but it has also been used as a moniker ie iced(probably related to the ice man) and is used to mean a hit or assassination. serial killers nikenames get reused as well like ripper killer monster strangler etc.
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  Luca Brasi? Saw the HBO documentary, psychopath if there was one (not that I can diagnose him but based on what I've read about the condition.) After a few killings it may make no difference, like killing chickens day in and day out.
- toyg 8y ago
  Well, that’s also the nickname of Kimi Räikkönen, F1 driver, and probably a dozen other famous sportsmen known for their cold calculation under pressure. It’s just a common nick for calm people.
lkj 8y ago
Please use the article's title: "Runner found to be a hitman after GPS Watch ties him to crime scene" Or at least tame the capitalization for a more readable "Hitman runner Mark Fellows convicted of murder on GPS watch data"
- dmix 8y ago
  Looks like the OP got it from the <title /> text instead of the actual headline of the article (which you quoted). Confused me for a minute, I thought "mark" was slang for a hitman's target.
- ummonk 8y ago
  Yeah, I swear I spent a few minutes trying to parse that and still couldn't figure it out. Didn't realize there was a proper noun in there.
  - um_ya 8y ago
    Probably a bot auto posting.
- white-flame 8y ago
  Yes, I thought maybe this would be about a speedrunner for the Hitman games.
- justincormack 8y ago
  US style headline capitalization is really annoying, most of the world dropped that decades ago.
starpilot 8y ago
He did a 10K in 47 minutes, not bad.
neya 8y ago
It baffles me why you would do all that serious planning to commit such hifi murders but, somehow screw it all up by carrying a device that is designed to track your location, activities and probably other data (like heart beat rate) that would simply undo all your efforts? IMO, even the dumbest of murderers don't carry their phones with them because they know very well they can be triangulated long after the murders. So, why would you carry a smart device that precisely does just that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- smadge 8y ago
  There’s also this: “As seriously as Fellows seemed to take his preparation, he did not appear to consider witnesses would notice a cyclist wearing both commando gear and a hi-vis safety vest while toting a gun (they did, and they told the police).“
- Cacti 8y ago
  If you read the article, he didn’t carry the device during the murder, he was carrying it a couple months before while he was doing surveillance for the future murder. And the only reason they found out about the GPS device was because they were already pretty sure he was the guy as witnesses saw him on his bike carrying a gun and wearing “commando gear”, which sort of , you know, stuck out like a sore thumb. They used the witnesses to track him down and arrest him, and only found the GPS data later. Obviously he’s not that bright but the GPS was sort of a secondary issue.
  - lettergram 8y ago
    All of that sounds extremely circumstantial tbh
    - Cacti 8y ago
      I mean, it’s the UK. Presumably there is video. Plus witnesses. Plus GPS. Plus he left the country immediately after. Plus he is known hired muscle. Certainly enough to charge someone.
xchaotic 8y ago
The various media outlets seem to be overlooking the fact that he was retaliating for his own injury and near death experience?
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  This article mentions it. Does it matter?
scarejunba 8y ago
Haha. Okay so this wasn't the crucial evidence. He cycled by in his hi-viz carrying a gun and equipment. If you guys aren't familiar with Britain, you should know that carrying a gun is extremely rare and being all decked out is not a thing people do. The GPS watch wasn't got him.
nradov 8y ago
This is like a story you would read on https://dumbrunner.com/ https://dumbrunner.com/ .
AnonymousRider 8y ago
Hey, even scumbags benefit from exercise.
- chrischen 8y ago
  But he killed two other scumbags.

58 points by danso 8y ago

A bit confused they used the nickname 'Iceman'. That's the nickname of the well known https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski

renholder 8y ago
I imagine that's the nickname he had in English (?) the gang, yeah? They're probably can't be arsed to keep track of the used and infamous nicknames from gangs in the states.
- tapland 8y ago
  The iceman nickname wasn't used for Kuklinsky in the mob. It was during media attention for his claimed body count of 200+ as a serial killer and mob hitman. Jack the Ripper has nothing on Kuklinski, but people can remember both.
  - renholder 8y ago
    Fellows was in a gang in the UK... That was his nickname in the gang in the UK. There's a vast ocean betwixt the states and England. While it's true that people can remember both names, it's far more likely that, in the UK, they'll remember the names of those closer to home - of the likes of Harold Shipman.
- darkpuma 8y ago
  It could also be that the UK gang knew they were reusing a name, and considered that reuse part of their opsec. If anybody ever overheard the wrong conversation, they'd hear the name of a known and convicted hitman, which might lead them to believe the discussion they overheard was more mundane than they might otherwise have thought. For instance, battle tanks are called "tanks" today because when they were being developed by the British during WWI, they wanted a word that would obscure meaning to anybody who happened to overhear the word. They were originally called "Caterpillar Machine Gun Destroyers or Land Cruisers", which was very descriptive, so they decided to call them "water containers" instead. W.C. was considered an unsuitable initialism though, so they so they settled on "tank" as in "water tank". That name stuck so well, today most people never suspect it was originally meant to obscure meaning. But at the time, any german spy who overheard the wrong conversation would think the british were discussing a method of transporting water.
reshie 8y ago
the ice man you speak of was called that because he stored bodies in ice lockers but it has also been used as a moniker ie iced(probably related to the ice man) and is used to mean a hit or assassination. serial killers nikenames get reused as well like ripper killer monster strangler etc.
onetimemanytime 8y ago
Luca Brasi? Saw the HBO documentary, psychopath if there was one (not that I can diagnose him but based on what I've read about the condition.) After a few killings it may make no difference, like killing chickens day in and day out.
toyg 8y ago
Well, that’s also the nickname of Kimi Räikkönen, F1 driver, and probably a dozen other famous sportsmen known for their cold calculation under pressure. It’s just a common nick for calm people.

lkj 8y ago

Please use the article's title: "Runner found to be a hitman after GPS Watch ties him to crime scene" Or at least tame the capitalization for a more readable "Hitman runner Mark Fellows convicted of murder on GPS watch data"

dmix 8y ago
Looks like the OP got it from the <title /> text instead of the actual headline of the article (which you quoted). Confused me for a minute, I thought "mark" was slang for a hitman's target.
ummonk 8y ago
Yeah, I swear I spent a few minutes trying to parse that and still couldn't figure it out. Didn't realize there was a proper noun in there.
- um_ya 8y ago
  Probably a bot auto posting.
white-flame 8y ago
Yes, I thought maybe this would be about a speedrunner for the Hitman games.
justincormack 8y ago
US style headline capitalization is really annoying, most of the world dropped that decades ago.

starpilot 8y ago

He did a 10K in 47 minutes, not bad.

neya 8y ago

It baffles me why you would do all that serious planning to commit such hifi murders but, somehow screw it all up by carrying a device that is designed to track your location, activities and probably other data (like heart beat rate) that would simply undo all your efforts? IMO, even the dumbest of murderers don't carry their phones with them because they know very well they can be triangulated long after the murders. So, why would you carry a smart device that precisely does just that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

smadge 8y ago
There’s also this: “As seriously as Fellows seemed to take his preparation, he did not appear to consider witnesses would notice a cyclist wearing both commando gear and a hi-vis safety vest while toting a gun (they did, and they told the police).“
Cacti 8y ago
If you read the article, he didn’t carry the device during the murder, he was carrying it a couple months before while he was doing surveillance for the future murder. And the only reason they found out about the GPS device was because they were already pretty sure he was the guy as witnesses saw him on his bike carrying a gun and wearing “commando gear”, which sort of , you know, stuck out like a sore thumb. They used the witnesses to track him down and arrest him, and only found the GPS data later. Obviously he’s not that bright but the GPS was sort of a secondary issue.
- lettergram 8y ago
  All of that sounds extremely circumstantial tbh
  - Cacti 8y ago
    I mean, it’s the UK. Presumably there is video. Plus witnesses. Plus GPS. Plus he left the country immediately after. Plus he is known hired muscle. Certainly enough to charge someone.

xchaotic 8y ago

The various media outlets seem to be overlooking the fact that he was retaliating for his own injury and near death experience?

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
This article mentions it. Does it matter?

scarejunba 8y ago

Haha. Okay so this wasn't the crucial evidence. He cycled by in his hi-viz carrying a gun and equipment. If you guys aren't familiar with Britain, you should know that carrying a gun is extremely rare and being all decked out is not a thing people do. The GPS watch wasn't got him.

nradov 8y ago

This is like a story you would read on https://dumbrunner.com/ https://dumbrunner.com/ .

AnonymousRider 8y ago

Hey, even scumbags benefit from exercise.

chrischen 8y ago
But he killed two other scumbags.