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Haiku is basically BeOS R5 plus some much needed modernization. Great stuff. We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
> We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop. I agree. In my opinion though, Haiku's insistence on becoming just another platform to run your UNIX software stack on means it will probably never succeed at that goal.
- agildehaus 8y ago
  How is it different than macOS?
  - zapzupnz 8y ago
    I think macOS/Mac OS X was always known for fantastic Mac-specific software as opposed to just ports of user apps from, say, Linux — probably because Mac OS X was the successor to Mac OS 9. So Mac OS X inherited one userbase that appreciated platform-specific software. Haiku doesn't really have anything to inherit like that so until people start making Haiku-specific software, that could be an issue for seeing great Haiku software rather than just ports.
    - mhd 8y ago
      In the beginning, there was also a good deal of people coming from NeXt and finally finding a target audience. Some of those applications fared even better, as they were basically Cocoa already, whereas some of the older Mac apps were more baroque, not supporting all the nice new features and having a more outdated look. So the "newcomers" served as important style guides. (Let's not even mention the backlash against further outliers like Java Swing apps or RealBasic) For a while, the OS X app space was rather "pure". A minimalistic aesthethic, plenty of small opnionated productivity applications. Apple itself didn't wreck or disrupt it too much (looking at you, MS Office). Then mobile happened.
      - zapzupnz 8y ago
        That's a great point. A lot of the best macOS software came from, and still come from, developers from the NeXTSTEP era. Some have faded a bit, but they're still there setting the benchmark.
- waddlesplash 8y ago
  In case you haven't noticed, a majority of people on Windows or macOS use software that was originally part of the "UNIX software stack" -- between SSH, bash, GCC, FFmpeg, etc. I am pretty sure you could find at least one piece of "originally UNIX" software that at least a majority of programmers using any given OS use. Anyway, I think you miss the point of Haiku if you think it'll never get anywhere because of how much UNIX software runs on it. It's not here just to "be different from everyone else." The POSIX API makes a lot of sense; anyone going against it has to have a particularly good reason to do so. Even Apple doesn't, for the most part.
  - scroot 8y ago
    Unix is indeed ubiquitous, but it would be nice to have a personal computing system whose core metaphor is something other than a teletype.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    I've had this argument with you before and I'm not really interested in having it again. Suffice it to say that I have a different idea of what a personal computer should be than you or the parts of the Haiku community who are left.
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  - tonyedgecombe 8y ago
    A majority of programmers on Windows perhaps, certainly not a majority of people on Windows.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Not even the majority, UNIX refugees, yes.
- Fnoord 8y ago
  What do you propose as alternative? All of these UNIX tools provide backwards compatibility.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    We have virtualization nowadays to cover compatibility requirements.
  - petre 8y ago
    Plan9? But it's still ahead of its time. I think it would be quite hard to port something like Haiku UI to such a platform. POSIX is fine.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Actually Inferno, Plan 9 was the middle iteration.
kitsunesoba 8y ago
Totally agree. It’s great that the Linux desktop experience has come as far as it has, but it still suffers from compromises as a result of being general purpose at best and server oriented at worst. Haiku can make technical decisions that make sense for a desktop OS without also negatively impacting other uses.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

> We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop. I agree. In my opinion though, Haiku's insistence on becoming just another platform to run your UNIX software stack on means it will probably never succeed at that goal.

agildehaus 8y ago
How is it different than macOS?
- zapzupnz 8y ago
  I think macOS/Mac OS X was always known for fantastic Mac-specific software as opposed to just ports of user apps from, say, Linux — probably because Mac OS X was the successor to Mac OS 9. So Mac OS X inherited one userbase that appreciated platform-specific software. Haiku doesn't really have anything to inherit like that so until people start making Haiku-specific software, that could be an issue for seeing great Haiku software rather than just ports.
  - mhd 8y ago
    In the beginning, there was also a good deal of people coming from NeXt and finally finding a target audience. Some of those applications fared even better, as they were basically Cocoa already, whereas some of the older Mac apps were more baroque, not supporting all the nice new features and having a more outdated look. So the "newcomers" served as important style guides. (Let's not even mention the backlash against further outliers like Java Swing apps or RealBasic) For a while, the OS X app space was rather "pure". A minimalistic aesthethic, plenty of small opnionated productivity applications. Apple itself didn't wreck or disrupt it too much (looking at you, MS Office). Then mobile happened.
    - zapzupnz 8y ago
      That's a great point. A lot of the best macOS software came from, and still come from, developers from the NeXTSTEP era. Some have faded a bit, but they're still there setting the benchmark.
waddlesplash 8y ago
In case you haven't noticed, a majority of people on Windows or macOS use software that was originally part of the "UNIX software stack" -- between SSH, bash, GCC, FFmpeg, etc. I am pretty sure you could find at least one piece of "originally UNIX" software that at least a majority of programmers using any given OS use. Anyway, I think you miss the point of Haiku if you think it'll never get anywhere because of how much UNIX software runs on it. It's not here just to "be different from everyone else." The POSIX API makes a lot of sense; anyone going against it has to have a particularly good reason to do so. Even Apple doesn't, for the most part.
- scroot 8y ago
  Unix is indeed ubiquitous, but it would be nice to have a personal computing system whose core metaphor is something other than a teletype.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  I've had this argument with you before and I'm not really interested in having it again. Suffice it to say that I have a different idea of what a personal computer should be than you or the parts of the Haiku community who are left.
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- tonyedgecombe 8y ago
  A majority of programmers on Windows perhaps, certainly not a majority of people on Windows.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Not even the majority, UNIX refugees, yes.
Fnoord 8y ago
What do you propose as alternative? All of these UNIX tools provide backwards compatibility.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  We have virtualization nowadays to cover compatibility requirements.
- petre 8y ago
  Plan9? But it's still ahead of its time. I think it would be quite hard to port something like Haiku UI to such a platform. POSIX is fine.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Actually Inferno, Plan 9 was the middle iteration.

kitsunesoba 8y ago

Totally agree. It’s great that the Linux desktop experience has come as far as it has, but it still suffers from compromises as a result of being general purpose at best and server oriented at worst. Haiku can make technical decisions that make sense for a desktop OS without also negatively impacting other uses.