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> As a millennial there are few things that rank as desirable as finding a recurring source of income that doesn’t take much work That made me laugh! As someon

> As a millennial there are few things that rank as desirable as finding a recurring source of income that doesn’t take much work That made me laugh! As someone much older I can honestly say that there are few things that rank as desirable as finding a recurring source of income that doesn’t take much work for me too.

Skunkleton 8y ago
As a millennial myself, I would like the need for income taken off the table so that I can find a recurring source of meaningful work.
- zanny 8y ago
  This is such a modern problem too. No matter what anyone feels about it having to farm crops to eat was definitely meaningful work a hundred years ago. Even if you were being exploited in a factory suicide was common but mostly from abuse and injury rather than the vacuousness of the job. Its wholly contemporary to invent bullshit jobs and imagine complexity to keep people at desks en masse, leaving them with such a feeling of their lives being pointless.
  - Skunkleton 8y ago
    Truth. My job is "important", but at the same time I don't think anyone's life would be measurably worse if I didn't do it (besides mine lol). IMO it is kind of a problem with software in general. It is getting me down honestly; I could use some advice.
    - maxerickson 8y ago
      Short term, find sources of fulfillment that are not your job. Longer term, seek a similarly comfortable position that you find more meaningful.
    - sbov 8y ago
      Part of why I like working at smaller companies that focus on serving small-medium sized businesses. At this level you are actually building a piece of software for users rather the C-suite.
    - JDiculous 8y ago
      I feel the same way. Pay is good, work can be interesting, work-life balance and job security are relatively good, but being a developer never gave me any sense of real fulfillment. I'm not making any serious difference in anyone's life, and my six figure salary could be replaced with a team of eastern Europeans who could probably get more done at a fraction of the cost. If I were to die tomorrow, it wouldn't really make any difference aside from friends/family. My company might be inconvenienced for a couple weeks, but would easily find a replacement. I can put up with unfulfilling work (at least for a little bit). What I can't stand is the Kool-Aid culture surrounding it where you have to put this big smile on your face at all times and pretend like gluing Javascript is your life-calling, mentally stimulates you, and gives you a deep sense of fulfillment. That CNBC article describing Facebook's work culture as "cult-like" is basically every job and job interview I've ever partaken in in the tech industry. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/facebook-culture-cult-performance-review-process-blamed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/facebook-culture-cult-perfor... The modern software engineer is a glorified factory worker, except instead of making cars and computer parts we're making apps that help rich people get a little richer or get people to buy sh*t they don't need. I envy people with actually meaningful jobs - doctors who save lives, journalists exposing the world's atrocities, politicians, anyone working on the cutting edge of anything, etc.
      - unclebucknasty 8y ago
        The thing that amazes me is that so many people feel the same way, yet this "way of life" is still the norm. That is, why is there no way to innovate a new structure, given the degree of intrinsic support that would seem to exist? And, software engineers in particular would seem well-suited to this task. If software is eating the world and we write software, then...
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        a_imho 8y ago
        It is usually some form of entities with the means are not interested/enjoying the current status quo.
    - rahoulb 8y ago
      Imagine yourself sat in a big chair aged 110 years old. And you’re thinking to yourself “I’m so glad I did X”. What is X? (It’s tough, I’m 44 and I only figured it out last year, but I didn’t do it this way) Now, how can you do X? Is it a side hustle? Is it a spare time thing? Does it need millions of dollars? Does it need you to quit your job and change direction completely? Can you get to X in five years? If so, what is the single most important thing you need to have completed in 3 years? To do that one thing, what’s the most important thing you need to have completed by January next year? And to do that, what’s the single most important thing you need to have completed by March this year. Now you have a goal - something to achieve by March. Write out 12 tasks to get you there and do one each week between now and then. If you can’t come up with 12 tasks you can be more ambitious in your March goal. If you can’t fit it all in you need to scale back your March goal. And then when you hit March, look at your one year target and figure out the next 12 weeks.
      - Skunkleton 8y ago
        That seems like good advice. Having some sort of thing to work towards seems helpful.
        rahoulb 8y ago
        Breaking it down into achievable chunks is important too. The paradox is you can’t plan too far ahead as life will get in the way. But if you don’t have a direction of travel you forget where you’re going. Hence the five/three/one year ambitions followed by a twelve week plan.
    - fyfy18 8y ago
      I feel the same. I've been doing this for nearly 10 years now, and although software and programming still interests me, all the jobs I've had in this industry do not. It just feels like I spend all my day working hard to make someone else even more money. I can't imagine myself continuing doing this for the next 30+ years... My plan is to save as much as my income as possible and retire early, possibly getting a part time job in a coffee shop to supplement my savings and maintain some interaction with people. Take a look into /r/FIRE if that sounds appealing to you.
  - john_moscow 8y ago
    I'm curious whether the declining fertility rates are related to people feeling their lives being pointless.
  - zorga 8y ago
    > Its wholly contemporary to invent bullshit jobs and imagine complexity to keep people at desks en masse I don't believe that's remotely true. That bullshit jobs exist is certainly true, but it's due to inefficiencies in communication and incentives at larger companies. Bullshit jobs eat into profit, companies don't do it on purpose, it's just harder and harder to weed those people out the bigger you get; the more people you have the easier it is for non-productive people to hide and not have it known.
  - vonseel 8y ago
    Farming crops doesn’t sound like an entirely bad job, but I’m not sure the pay is great compared to software development. I’d seriously consider agricultural jobs (farming, ag engineering, agricultural science) in another lifetime if I hadn’t invested so much time in my tech career and weren’t so allergies to grass/pollen outdoor allergens.
- zorga 8y ago
  > As a millennial myself, I would like the need for income taken off the table In other words, I'd like someone else to pay for taking care of me, my shelter, my food. > so that I can find a recurring source of meaningful work. So that I can follow my desires rather than being forced to pay my own way. As a gen-x'er I just have say, you are not entitled to other people's labor, certainly not so you can avoid labor you don't like. The world just doesn't work that way, taking care of your own needs is necessary work, whether you you find it meaningful or not. Virtually everyone would prefer not "needing income", that's just another way of saying "be rich". Meaningful work is a luxury.
  - tjr225 8y ago
    Everyone knows this. Even millennials, believe it or not. Yawn.
    - zorga 8y ago
      The OP's comment shows otherwise, but if you're bored, take your ass elsewhere.
      - tjr225 8y ago
        The OPs comment does no such thing. I'm not sure why you find a battle here.
  - unclebucknasty 8y ago
    Your entire comment--including suggestions as to what the OP really wants--is predicated on the belief that the current structure is the result of some static law of nature, rather than completely man-made. If you envision other means of distributing the planet's vast resources, then you'll realize that there are alternatives beyond a) working unfulfilling jobs that produce wealth for others in order to subsist; and b) someone else "paying" for our subsistence.
    - zorga 8y ago
      > If you envision other means of distributing the planet's vast resources Whether you pay for yourself, or others pay for you, is a binary choice. There are no other options that don't fall into those two categories. > is predicated on the belief that the current structure is the result of some static law of nature Nope, just on the nature of boolean logic.
- beatgammit 8y ago
  If you find a reliable source of revenue that takes an insignificant amount of non meaningful work to maintain, you can spend the rest of you time on meaningful work.
branchless 8y ago
You need that income because others have it via rent, which you must deliver.
fouc 8y ago
I wonder how many people are aware that Millennials are between the age of 23 and 38 at this point.
rchaud 8y ago
I believe the author added the 'as a millennial' bit because everyone's feeds for the past couple of years have been bombarded by posts about 'digital nomads', the seemingly lucky few that are their own bosses and live out of a suitcase and a Macbook in exotic-seeming places like Slovakia, Argentina or Vietnam.

Skunkleton 8y ago

As a millennial myself, I would like the need for income taken off the table so that I can find a recurring source of meaningful work.

zanny 8y ago
This is such a modern problem too. No matter what anyone feels about it having to farm crops to eat was definitely meaningful work a hundred years ago. Even if you were being exploited in a factory suicide was common but mostly from abuse and injury rather than the vacuousness of the job. Its wholly contemporary to invent bullshit jobs and imagine complexity to keep people at desks en masse, leaving them with such a feeling of their lives being pointless.
- Skunkleton 8y ago
  Truth. My job is "important", but at the same time I don't think anyone's life would be measurably worse if I didn't do it (besides mine lol). IMO it is kind of a problem with software in general. It is getting me down honestly; I could use some advice.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    Short term, find sources of fulfillment that are not your job. Longer term, seek a similarly comfortable position that you find more meaningful.
  - sbov 8y ago
    Part of why I like working at smaller companies that focus on serving small-medium sized businesses. At this level you are actually building a piece of software for users rather the C-suite.
  - JDiculous 8y ago
    I feel the same way. Pay is good, work can be interesting, work-life balance and job security are relatively good, but being a developer never gave me any sense of real fulfillment. I'm not making any serious difference in anyone's life, and my six figure salary could be replaced with a team of eastern Europeans who could probably get more done at a fraction of the cost. If I were to die tomorrow, it wouldn't really make any difference aside from friends/family. My company might be inconvenienced for a couple weeks, but would easily find a replacement. I can put up with unfulfilling work (at least for a little bit). What I can't stand is the Kool-Aid culture surrounding it where you have to put this big smile on your face at all times and pretend like gluing Javascript is your life-calling, mentally stimulates you, and gives you a deep sense of fulfillment. That CNBC article describing Facebook's work culture as "cult-like" is basically every job and job interview I've ever partaken in in the tech industry. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/facebook-culture-cult-performance-review-process-blamed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/facebook-culture-cult-perfor... The modern software engineer is a glorified factory worker, except instead of making cars and computer parts we're making apps that help rich people get a little richer or get people to buy sh*t they don't need. I envy people with actually meaningful jobs - doctors who save lives, journalists exposing the world's atrocities, politicians, anyone working on the cutting edge of anything, etc.
    - unclebucknasty 8y ago
      The thing that amazes me is that so many people feel the same way, yet this "way of life" is still the norm. That is, why is there no way to innovate a new structure, given the degree of intrinsic support that would seem to exist? And, software engineers in particular would seem well-suited to this task. If software is eating the world and we write software, then...
      - deleted 8y ago
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      - a_imho 8y ago
        It is usually some form of entities with the means are not interested/enjoying the current status quo.
  - rahoulb 8y ago
    Imagine yourself sat in a big chair aged 110 years old. And you’re thinking to yourself “I’m so glad I did X”. What is X? (It’s tough, I’m 44 and I only figured it out last year, but I didn’t do it this way) Now, how can you do X? Is it a side hustle? Is it a spare time thing? Does it need millions of dollars? Does it need you to quit your job and change direction completely? Can you get to X in five years? If so, what is the single most important thing you need to have completed in 3 years? To do that one thing, what’s the most important thing you need to have completed by January next year? And to do that, what’s the single most important thing you need to have completed by March this year. Now you have a goal - something to achieve by March. Write out 12 tasks to get you there and do one each week between now and then. If you can’t come up with 12 tasks you can be more ambitious in your March goal. If you can’t fit it all in you need to scale back your March goal. And then when you hit March, look at your one year target and figure out the next 12 weeks.
    - Skunkleton 8y ago
      That seems like good advice. Having some sort of thing to work towards seems helpful.
      - rahoulb 8y ago
        Breaking it down into achievable chunks is important too. The paradox is you can’t plan too far ahead as life will get in the way. But if you don’t have a direction of travel you forget where you’re going. Hence the five/three/one year ambitions followed by a twelve week plan.
  - fyfy18 8y ago
    I feel the same. I've been doing this for nearly 10 years now, and although software and programming still interests me, all the jobs I've had in this industry do not. It just feels like I spend all my day working hard to make someone else even more money. I can't imagine myself continuing doing this for the next 30+ years... My plan is to save as much as my income as possible and retire early, possibly getting a part time job in a coffee shop to supplement my savings and maintain some interaction with people. Take a look into /r/FIRE if that sounds appealing to you.
- john_moscow 8y ago
  I'm curious whether the declining fertility rates are related to people feeling their lives being pointless.
- zorga 8y ago
  > Its wholly contemporary to invent bullshit jobs and imagine complexity to keep people at desks en masse I don't believe that's remotely true. That bullshit jobs exist is certainly true, but it's due to inefficiencies in communication and incentives at larger companies. Bullshit jobs eat into profit, companies don't do it on purpose, it's just harder and harder to weed those people out the bigger you get; the more people you have the easier it is for non-productive people to hide and not have it known.
- vonseel 8y ago
  Farming crops doesn’t sound like an entirely bad job, but I’m not sure the pay is great compared to software development. I’d seriously consider agricultural jobs (farming, ag engineering, agricultural science) in another lifetime if I hadn’t invested so much time in my tech career and weren’t so allergies to grass/pollen outdoor allergens.
zorga 8y ago
> As a millennial myself, I would like the need for income taken off the table In other words, I'd like someone else to pay for taking care of me, my shelter, my food. > so that I can find a recurring source of meaningful work. So that I can follow my desires rather than being forced to pay my own way. As a gen-x'er I just have say, you are not entitled to other people's labor, certainly not so you can avoid labor you don't like. The world just doesn't work that way, taking care of your own needs is necessary work, whether you you find it meaningful or not. Virtually everyone would prefer not "needing income", that's just another way of saying "be rich". Meaningful work is a luxury.
- tjr225 8y ago
  Everyone knows this. Even millennials, believe it or not. Yawn.
  - zorga 8y ago
    The OP's comment shows otherwise, but if you're bored, take your ass elsewhere.
    - tjr225 8y ago
      The OPs comment does no such thing. I'm not sure why you find a battle here.
- unclebucknasty 8y ago
  Your entire comment--including suggestions as to what the OP really wants--is predicated on the belief that the current structure is the result of some static law of nature, rather than completely man-made. If you envision other means of distributing the planet's vast resources, then you'll realize that there are alternatives beyond a) working unfulfilling jobs that produce wealth for others in order to subsist; and b) someone else "paying" for our subsistence.
  - zorga 8y ago
    > If you envision other means of distributing the planet's vast resources Whether you pay for yourself, or others pay for you, is a binary choice. There are no other options that don't fall into those two categories. > is predicated on the belief that the current structure is the result of some static law of nature Nope, just on the nature of boolean logic.
beatgammit 8y ago
If you find a reliable source of revenue that takes an insignificant amount of non meaningful work to maintain, you can spend the rest of you time on meaningful work.

branchless 8y ago

You need that income because others have it via rent, which you must deliver.

fouc 8y ago

I wonder how many people are aware that Millennials are between the age of 23 and 38 at this point.

rchaud 8y ago

I believe the author added the 'as a millennial' bit because everyone's feeds for the past couple of years have been bombarded by posts about 'digital nomads', the seemingly lucky few that are their own bosses and live out of a suitcase and a Macbook in exotic-seeming places like Slovakia, Argentina or Vietnam.