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As a by-side casual observer, if the military continue to get funded while civilian departments continue furlough for months if not years, would that creates so
by liuliu 8y ago
As a by-side casual observer, if the military continue to get funded while civilian departments continue furlough for months if not years, would that creates some weird social dynamics?
- gizmo385 8y agoIf this were to continue for several months, I would assume that most of the employees would quit those departments, which would probably be catastrophic, both socially and economically.
- adventured 8y agoIt's not going to continue past the end of January under any scenario. Trump will go with a national emergency declaration (we've had 58 of those declared just since 1979) in an attempt to fund and build the wall the military route. That will be halted due to an injunction. Then it'll end up at the Supreme Court. Assuming the Democrats don't offer a compromise to Trump that is.
- ajross 8y agoThat just builds a wall, it doesn't address this problem. You can't use an emergency declaration to open the government. The theory here is that once Trump has declared victory, republicans are going to be willing to pass a bill without wall funding. It's not at all clear to me that this is how it will play out.
- mturmon 8y agoThis could indeed be. I thought your remark that there had been so many national emergencies was interesting. This turns out to be true — color me surprised. Almost all of them seem to not involve spending money — they are prohibitions on money transfers. I assume this is where the emergency-for-wall would run into trouble, because it’s the Congress that appropriates money.
- fzeroracer 8y agoIt would be incredibly catastrophic, considering the FDA has stopped domestic food inspections among other things.
- pastor_elm 8y agoAll these workers (except potentially contractors) get backpay. Yeah, it sucks if they have no savings, but people I know in the fed are treating it like a vacation.
- toufiqbarhamov 8y agoI’m pretty sure the ones forced to work without pay don’t feel like it’s a vacation. No way are air traffic controllers feeling the “beach vibe” and considering that about a third of TSA workers are calling in sick they seem to agree. It’s also pretty hard to have savings when your pay is shit, and hard to plan for insane political whims with indefinite expiration dates.
- pastor_elm 8y agothey get 'unpaid overtime compensation,' which can amount to double pay. The ones furloughed are the ones that can take a vacation, obviously.
- oh_sigh 8y agoThe problem isn't them eventually getting paid, the problem is them lacking money in their pockets right now to pay the bills they need to pay right now.
- ouid 8y agothey should take out payday loans and sue the federal government for the interest, that would be a fun court case.
- cobookman 8y agoThere's plenty of orgs offering government workers interest free loans. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2018/12/27/usaa-provides-loans-for-members-amid-government.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2018/12/27/usaa-...
- trumped 8y agoyeah, if he could stop funding the military for a while, that should get the democrats moving... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI