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The savage thing about the Rebels blowing up the Death Star is that they never evacuated any of the civilian family members. Just blew millions of women and chi
by matte_black 8y ago
The savage thing about the Rebels blowing up the Death Star is that they never evacuated any of the civilian family members. Just blew millions of women and children to smithereens and cheered.
Also did anyone else expect this to be a Lego stop motion video instead?
- gaius 8y agoIf only they knew they could have used a single droid-controlled hyperdrive ship instead
- krapp 8y agoA lot of people criticize that part of TLJ as somehow breaking combat in Star Wars, but it is consistent with the established physics of that universe. Of course if you accelerate a ship to some significant fraction of lightspeed it can probably do some serious damage to whatever's in front of it. At least, tactically, it makes more sense than a lot of things in the original trilogy (like the Death Star waiting to orbit Yavin before firing at its moon.) And it wouldn't have even worked as well as it did if the First Order fleet hadn't been lined up like billiard balls.
- murph-almighty 8y agoI honestly thought it was brilliant, even if I was a little shocked no one thought of it before. I don't think TLJ is infallible though (see: flying Leia).
- gaius 8y agoWhen the Millennium Falcon arrived at Alderaan it was established that ships in hyperspace do not interact with physical matter
- krapp 8y agoHan also mentions "passing through a star" as a danger of hyperspace travel, he doesn't specify that danger as not applying within hyperspace itself. It's not like they put a lot of thought into the way hyperspace actually worked in the OT. Also I'm not aware of anything in established canon that says the transition is instantaneous. It's not impossible that there might be a window when entering or exiting hyperspace during which the mass shadow of the craft (possibly increased exponentially by being accelerated to near light-speed) or the ship itself can interact with normal matter.
- Jaruzel 8y agoThe effects in all the movies back this up. Ships entering or exiting hyperspace don't just pop in and out (from a third person viewpoint) but actually shoot off or slam in very very quickly. Which infers there's ramp up and down sub-light speeds at each end of the hyperspace journey. likewise, in the cockpit of the Falcon, you see the star trails extend as she makes the makes the jump to lightspeed, before the hyperspace tunnel effect kicks in. As I'm typing this, I'm now actually wondering how 'lightspeed == hyperspace' in the SW universe?
- gaius 8y agoI'm now actually wondering how 'lightspeed == hyperspace' in the SW universe? “Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy.” — Han Solo The terms seem to be used interchangeably.
- glaurung_ 8y agoComplete speculation here, but this is my guess: Once accelerated to/past light speed it is possible to "make the jump to hyperspace" which is like going through some sort of wormhole. This allows a ship to travel from point to point without traversing the space between. Maybe something like taking a straight line instead of following the curvature of space time (yes I know, a bunch of dead physicists just rolled over). This is how, if you don't think too hard, it makes sense that Han says he "made the Kessel run in 12 (13) parsecs," using a measure of distance, rather than speed/time to make his claim. Presumably all long distance space travel is done at roughly the speed of light, so what makes a difference is not how fast you go, but how much of a short cut you manage to make through hyperspace. Feel free to rip this to shreds:)
- benmmurphy 8y agoI wonder if this was true it wouldn't still be possible to use hyperspace as a weapon. I wonder what would happen if you tried to exit hyperspace in the same position as another ship. Hyperspace feels a lot like teleportation and if you can teleport arbitrary stuff to arbitrary positions then it severely breaks combat and gives you a completely different equilibrium than the StarWars universe. Is there something stopping someone from hyperspacing a small ship with a nuclear warhead into a larger ship?
- dylan604 8y agoI think they addressed a similar concept in the tv show “Fringe”. Attempting to move an object from universe to another where something already existed did not end up well.
- PetitPrince 8y ago>(like the Death Star waiting to orbit Yavin before firing at its moon.) Trivia: this part was added during the editing of the movie for the sake of pacing and drama, see the last part of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk
- takk309 8y agoThe First Order actively chose not to fire on the kamikaze ship. Though, I do have to wonder why they couldn't have a droid fly the ship? There are plenty of other instances of droids piloting ships.
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- glup 8y agoWhat do you expect from a bunch of "freedom fighters" trying to restore power to the old corrupt regime?
- gaius 8y agoExactly this. Anakin was a child slave and when he was “rescued” by a fundamentalist religious order for indoctrination they left his mother behind to die. Any one of us in his position would have destroyed the Old Republic too.
- lordnacho 8y agoReligion? There's clear evidence that their powers are based in actual physics. In particular medi-chlorians. There's plenty of falsifiable claims made: - Force is in all living things, check - Force is strong in this one, check - Dark side powers are real too, check
- gaius 8y agoReligion? “Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.” — Han Solo “Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not given you the ability to conjure up the stolen data plans!” — Moff Tarkins In-universe it is definitely considered to be a religion.
- lordnacho 8y agoWhich is crazy, right? Moff gets strangled using The Force by Darth Vader right after he says that. How the hell does he not think it's real? If the Pope came up to you and threatened fire and brimstone, and a fkng fiery meteorite hit you in the head that same moment, would you not believe in Catholicism?
- gaius 8y agoI suppose he could believe that midichlorians are a thing that gives telepathic/telekinetic powers without believing that they are sentient and have a will, whereas the Jedi do believe the latter
- lordnacho 8y agoWhen do you see evidence that there are civilian family members present? Was there an opening ceremony going on or something?
- matte_black 8y agoWhy wouldn’t there be family members? Military bases have civilian areas for families.
- lordnacho 8y agoIt's a galaxy far, far away. They might have different customs.
- dragonwriter 8y ago> Why wouldn’t there be family members? Military bases have civilian areas for families. Garrison bases often do, forward operating bases generally don't, neither do warships. The death star is arguably somewhere between the latter and a gargantuan warship. There's at least a very good reason to suspect it wouldn't have civilian family areas. Also, in a any case, at least the one destroyed in Episode IV was in immediate self-defense as the Death Star was imminently attacking the entire planet on which the rebel base was located, so there would be no duty to evacuate civilians even if the rebels had the theoretical ability to do so without the time constraints posed by the imminent attack, which they didn't—it’s not like they captured the Death Star and scuttled it with crew and any hypothetical civilian dependents on board.
- zelos 8y agoOP is a Clerks reference, by the way.
- lordnacho 8y agoClerks reference was about 3rd part contractors, small business people who were finishing the 2nd Death Star? Which was reasonable...