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Do you ever find yourself thinking, "that looks easy, but maybe there's more nuance here?"

by lardo 8y ago

jimmy1 8y ago
Sure. I also find myself thinking "things really don't have to be as hard as people make them out to be"
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- CuriousSkeptic 8y ago
  Medical intervention based on “eat less, exercise more” has a success rate around 2% So yes, it really is that hard. And mostly because it isn’t as simple as the calories in/calories out model. Lots of things contribute in various way. And if anything dieting and exercise can actually make things worse if done wrong. In the “biggest loser” approach, f.ex, all contestants, ended up with a lower metabolic rate, and of course all but one ended up gaining more weight than before the show.
  - scarejunba 8y ago
    > Medical intervention based on “eat less, exercise more” has a success rate around 2% Wait, shit. So what should one do?
    - ArrayList 8y ago
      Intermittent fasting. (See "The Obesity Code" by Jason Fung, MD.)
    - CuriousSkeptic 8y ago
      Not determined yet it seems but from the looks of things an upgraded model involving the endocrine system and more recently the gut microbiome seems promising. The obesity code referenced in a sibling comment is an interesting read absolutely, fasting is the authors suggestion. It doesn’t talk much of gut microbiome, which seems like a big factor from recent studies, but mentions a very interesting connection to fiber intake though which the author (at that time) interprets simply as a means, to lower GI. Edit: My take - Avoid sugar and sweeterners (Probably want at least 14-days between servings) - Avoid highly processed grains, treat them as sugars, go for whole grains and things with husks instead - In general avoid things that trigger cravings - Healthy fats (nuts, virgin olive oil) are an excellent source of calories, don’t go hungry - Eat lots (lots) of different vegetables - (for adults) Take longer fasts from time to time (3+ days, but probably no more than a week without proper guidance) - East at most two times a day
  - imtringued 8y ago
    Well, it sounds to me like it worked but then they stopped and blame their failure on their success. People can't stay healthy their whole life if they only eat healthy for a few months.
    - CuriousSkeptic 8y ago
      Heres the follow up. It’s not just a case of blame, there were measurable harm as a result. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-years-after-the-biggest-loser-metabolism-is-slower-and-weight-is-back-up/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-years-after-the... But I agree, a healthy diet probably could help them, the one they tried wasn’t it though.
mikeash 8y ago
The nuance here is all in the difficulty of actually taking in fewer calories, due to things like limited willpower
- LeftTurnSignal 8y ago
  This took me probably too long to figure out. As a kid i was always told to finish my plate, then the usual "think of the starving kids" guilt trips, and whatever else. As an adult, I just eat smaller portions of the same garbage I ate before, and I started to lose a bit of weight. I didn't change anything else (at the time). Now I'm working on the rest, but the biggest stepping stone for me was literally just eating smaller portions.

Do you ever find yourself thinking, "that looks easy, but maybe there's more nuance here?"

by lardo 8y ago

Do you ever find yourself thinking, "that looks easy, but maybe there's more nuance here?"

jimmy1 8y ago

Sure. I also find myself thinking "things really don't have to be as hard as people make them out to be"

deleted 8y ago
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CuriousSkeptic 8y ago
Medical intervention based on “eat less, exercise more” has a success rate around 2% So yes, it really is that hard. And mostly because it isn’t as simple as the calories in/calories out model. Lots of things contribute in various way. And if anything dieting and exercise can actually make things worse if done wrong. In the “biggest loser” approach, f.ex, all contestants, ended up with a lower metabolic rate, and of course all but one ended up gaining more weight than before the show.
- scarejunba 8y ago
  > Medical intervention based on “eat less, exercise more” has a success rate around 2% Wait, shit. So what should one do?
  - ArrayList 8y ago
    Intermittent fasting. (See "The Obesity Code" by Jason Fung, MD.)
  - CuriousSkeptic 8y ago
    Not determined yet it seems but from the looks of things an upgraded model involving the endocrine system and more recently the gut microbiome seems promising. The obesity code referenced in a sibling comment is an interesting read absolutely, fasting is the authors suggestion. It doesn’t talk much of gut microbiome, which seems like a big factor from recent studies, but mentions a very interesting connection to fiber intake though which the author (at that time) interprets simply as a means, to lower GI. Edit: My take - Avoid sugar and sweeterners (Probably want at least 14-days between servings) - Avoid highly processed grains, treat them as sugars, go for whole grains and things with husks instead - In general avoid things that trigger cravings - Healthy fats (nuts, virgin olive oil) are an excellent source of calories, don’t go hungry - Eat lots (lots) of different vegetables - (for adults) Take longer fasts from time to time (3+ days, but probably no more than a week without proper guidance) - East at most two times a day
- imtringued 8y ago
  Well, it sounds to me like it worked but then they stopped and blame their failure on their success. People can't stay healthy their whole life if they only eat healthy for a few months.
  - CuriousSkeptic 8y ago
    Heres the follow up. It’s not just a case of blame, there were measurable harm as a result. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-years-after-the-biggest-loser-metabolism-is-slower-and-weight-is-back-up/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-years-after-the... But I agree, a healthy diet probably could help them, the one they tried wasn’t it though.

mikeash 8y ago

The nuance here is all in the difficulty of actually taking in fewer calories, due to things like limited willpower

LeftTurnSignal 8y ago
This took me probably too long to figure out. As a kid i was always told to finish my plate, then the usual "think of the starving kids" guilt trips, and whatever else. As an adult, I just eat smaller portions of the same garbage I ate before, and I started to lose a bit of weight. I didn't change anything else (at the time). Now I'm working on the rest, but the biggest stepping stone for me was literally just eating smaller portions.