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Honestly, I feel like you just want different things from your language, and you'd prefer something like Scala or Haskell. I've never heard "hate speech" again

Honestly, I feel like you just want different things from your language, and you'd prefer something like Scala or Haskell. I've never heard "hate speech" against functional concepts: I've worked on functional-ish/pattern matching libs and i know other people from the community that love functional lang ideas. However those ideas are not as prevalent as in functional languages tho(obviously). I'd say a lot of those points are very subjective(syntax/pragmas/modules etc). It's true that the ecosystem is still small and documentations is not good enough sometimes: this is something that probably can't change without a stable 1.0 first(and serious doc efforts started last month).

nudpiedo 8y ago
I never used Scala, Haskell or a functional language other than a small pet project on clojure I usually write small functional snippets within OOP for python (so my job colleagues can still understand most of my code/structure). "Hate speech against functional concepts" was a metaphor for repetitive comments without foundation against some concepts and highly respectable design choices, where I often saw people pretending these to be dumb without really discuss the points properly, or exploring choices or constructs without acknowledging any single good thing from it. You can consider that a subjective, generalized opinion if you want. Think that "that functional approach" has a lot to borrow from, even when still working within a mostly imperative language. Perhaps it is not a true red flag but in my eyes it was an involution. Totally subjective if the focus of the language is becoming a better and more advanced C (rival of Golang for example)
- vips7L 8y ago
  That's not hate speech.
  - nudpiedo 8y ago
    No, it is not. It was a metaphor.
    - klibertp 8y ago
      No, it was a groundless inflammatory comment. It's not ok. It's not "a metaphor". It's needlessly offensive and very harmful to Nim and its community. Your comment is currently at the top of a thread, with a very heavy accusation towards the community - tolerating hate speech of any kind is basically as bad as it can be for a community. Even on HN, there will be many people who won't read your further comments, won't know that it's "just a metaphor", and will believe it. Then, when I try to invite them to some Nim conference, they'll tell me that "Oh, Nim... Would be good, but the community is so hostile, so I'll pass". Please, at least realize what you have done, and don't do it again. Please.
    - nudpiedo 8y ago
      @klibertp I disagree with you. Everyone here is a grown up and "hate speech" cannot be directed against an algorithmic abstraction or a way to organize code. Criticism is a valid form of opinion, including criticism on informal elites in online communities, especially within opinions which by definition are subjective. If you feel my metaphor is hurting that's because you feel targeted there in some way, but here everyone is adult enough to build their own opinions and look by themselves there. If my comment made it to the top it is because it was upvoted in spite of having the way of use the language I have and the way my opinions are. That wasn’t the first comment when I wrote it. I hope you realize what you are doing censoring people's opinions based on your subjective judgement of everyone else’s possible reactions, discarding people’s own judgement. Saying that a community could die because of a negative opinion online is senseless, precisely because truly injust opinions positively reinforce groups by creating a feeling of resistance and victim identification. But my opinion was honest and metaphors are just a way of using language. Anyway, I respect mostly all opinions but censorship. And in regard on whether somethign is hate speech or not... really, criticize an abstraction, not even an object, who could take that sentence in a literal way and interpret it by the word? You are drowning in a glass of water (yes, that's another metaphor, just in case).
      - klibertp 8y ago
        The majority of your posts here got heavily downvoted if I go by their color. One got flagged (not by me or anything). There's probably some meaning in that.

nudpiedo 8y ago

I never used Scala, Haskell or a functional language other than a small pet project on clojure I usually write small functional snippets within OOP for python (so my job colleagues can still understand most of my code/structure). "Hate speech against functional concepts" was a metaphor for repetitive comments without foundation against some concepts and highly respectable design choices, where I often saw people pretending these to be dumb without really discuss the points properly, or exploring choices or constructs without acknowledging any single good thing from it. You can consider that a subjective, generalized opinion if you want. Think that "that functional approach" has a lot to borrow from, even when still working within a mostly imperative language. Perhaps it is not a true red flag but in my eyes it was an involution. Totally subjective if the focus of the language is becoming a better and more advanced C (rival of Golang for example)

vips7L 8y ago
That's not hate speech.
- nudpiedo 8y ago
  No, it is not. It was a metaphor.
  - klibertp 8y ago
    No, it was a groundless inflammatory comment. It's not ok. It's not "a metaphor". It's needlessly offensive and very harmful to Nim and its community. Your comment is currently at the top of a thread, with a very heavy accusation towards the community - tolerating hate speech of any kind is basically as bad as it can be for a community. Even on HN, there will be many people who won't read your further comments, won't know that it's "just a metaphor", and will believe it. Then, when I try to invite them to some Nim conference, they'll tell me that "Oh, Nim... Would be good, but the community is so hostile, so I'll pass". Please, at least realize what you have done, and don't do it again. Please.
  - nudpiedo 8y ago
    @klibertp I disagree with you. Everyone here is a grown up and "hate speech" cannot be directed against an algorithmic abstraction or a way to organize code. Criticism is a valid form of opinion, including criticism on informal elites in online communities, especially within opinions which by definition are subjective. If you feel my metaphor is hurting that's because you feel targeted there in some way, but here everyone is adult enough to build their own opinions and look by themselves there. If my comment made it to the top it is because it was upvoted in spite of having the way of use the language I have and the way my opinions are. That wasn’t the first comment when I wrote it. I hope you realize what you are doing censoring people's opinions based on your subjective judgement of everyone else’s possible reactions, discarding people’s own judgement. Saying that a community could die because of a negative opinion online is senseless, precisely because truly injust opinions positively reinforce groups by creating a feeling of resistance and victim identification. But my opinion was honest and metaphors are just a way of using language. Anyway, I respect mostly all opinions but censorship. And in regard on whether somethign is hate speech or not... really, criticize an abstraction, not even an object, who could take that sentence in a literal way and interpret it by the word? You are drowning in a glass of water (yes, that's another metaphor, just in case).
    - klibertp 8y ago
      The majority of your posts here got heavily downvoted if I go by their color. One got flagged (not by me or anything). There's probably some meaning in that.