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Why People in Cities Walk Fast (2012)

• rossdavidh 8y ago
  Doesn't it seem like somewhere out there is a company with a lot of data on people's walking speed, which could just bury these studies with orders of magnitude more data? Some smartphone app or similar device for counting steps, or maybe just Google Maps when you're using the pedestrian option to plot your path.
  • Inityx 8y ago
    FitBit is one of them
  • kwhitefoot 8y ago
    Google has a lot of data from the Google Maps timeline and also from Google Fit.
• nmstoker 8y ago
  In Canary Wharf, being a well off part of London, the speed of walking was traditionally quite quick, however there has been a prolonged yet steady slow down. It could easily be a spurious factor but it feels like it goes hand in hand with the trend towards hiring more pliant, less imaginative people!
• theriddlr 8y ago
  I live in Bristol, UK. I walk fast because I know where to go and because I have lots of errands to run. Another reason is to avoid beggars and charity muggers (chatty fundraisers hired by charities to approach people on the street and ask them to make a cash donation/recurring donation) from chatting me up because I appear busy.
  • Balero 8y ago
    I walk slow because some tourists have stopped to take a photo of a Banksy again. And also because of hills.
• fouc 8y ago
  Climate matters a lot. You're not likely to walk nearly as fast in Bangkok.
• Reason077 8y ago
  In big cities, walking is transportation. So the faster the better. In small towns, walking is, for the most part, a recreational or social activity.
• creddit 8y ago
  OT, but a sentence that struck me as weird: > Interestingly, Wiseman clocked some of the quickest feet in Singapore, China, and Brazil — perhaps a reflection of these rising economies. Sure, China can obviously be considered rising. Brazil; sure why not? But Singapore? That economy already rose a long time ago. The have one of the highest GDP PPP per capita in the world and have reached convergence. How odd.
• burfog 8y ago
  They speculate about all sorts of factors, such as sensory overload and the monetary value of time, trying to tease them apart, while ignoring danger. Right at the top of the article, the photo of rapidly walking people is taken on London Bridge. That is where people were run down in 2017. Of course people would want to get through that area as fast as possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack
  • Reason077 8y ago
    Footways on all the major bridges in London are now protected by barriers that prevent vehicles entering the pedestrian area.
  • stinkyball 8y ago
    The same didn't happen during the IRA campaigns. Are you supposing that the people of London are scared ? I'm fairly sure that people in London walk fast as they have busy lives, not because they think walking fast will increase their likelihood of survival. Perhaps the behaviour you describe is more US centric?
• baxtr 8y ago
  I don’t buy this. It seems they’ve tested one potential explanation only, GDP. What about the size of the city per se or mean walking distant between objects? As example: Berlin is a city which is not compact and quite spread out. What if people just need to walk quicker there to make it to work on time? I am not saying this is true. But I want to make a point that you could come up with other things to test easily.
  • TomMarius 8y ago
    Why would people go fast in dense cities, then? "Interestingly, Wiseman clocked some of the quickest feet in Singapore, China, and Brazil — perhaps a reflection of these rising economies."
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• ken 8y ago
  I'm surprised they don't mention the obvious practical reason. I walk faster when I'm in the city because I have farther to go. Last week, I was working in a smaller city 30 miles out. So I drove, and out in the suburbs, I can park pretty close to where I'm going. Today, I was working in the city, a mile from home. At that distance, there's a good chance I wouldn't be able to find parking any closer to where I'm going! So I walk, and that's a decent amount of ground to cover. Smaller city means better parking, so you don't need to walk as far. When you get really small (like Psychro), things are naturally close enough together you don't need to walk far at all. I'd look not just at how long it takes people to cover 50 feet, but the starting/ending points for their entire trips. I bet when people take optimal modes of transportation for their routes, their trips simply require more walking in bigger cities.
  • culturestate 8y ago
    > I'm surprised they don't mention the obvious practical reason. I walk faster when I'm in the city because I have farther to go. I tend to walk slower when I'm going a longer distance because I want to avoid arriving at my destination drenched in sweat, although I suppose this could be driven partially by the fact that I live in a tropical city (Hong Kong).
    • TeMPOraL 8y ago
      > I suppose this could be driven partially by the fact that I live in a tropical city (Hong Kong). Most likely it is. I live in Poland, and there I can walk very fast without visibly sweating, except on the hottest days of the summer, and during winter iff I wear too thick clothes. Been to HK/Shenzhen in early winter, and what you have there then seems equivalent to our summers :).
    • nicolas_t 8y ago
      I also live in Hong Kong and I did notice that people seem to walk faster in Winter than Summer :) I do think that the weather is a factor that should be studied... Another factor is location, I've found that people walk faster in Central than in other places but that might follow their theory about money.
• mmPzf 8y ago
  I remember reading this. I also remember reading a compelling argument that the conclusions drawn by those studies were wrong, and that the actual cause for the difference in walking speed is age. People in big cities tend to be younger (due to urban migration, and whatnot), and with lower age comes faster walking speed. I can't remember where that argument was made, and I never fact checked it, so take it with a grain of salt. However, it seems much more convincing than the 'pace of life' argument.
• xyzzy123 8y ago
  I think it would be interesting to see not just the average but also the distribution of walking speeds. I posit the effect might just be “number of people walking to/from work or arrival time sensitive activity.”, with “average age” and “adoption of mass transit” as significant factors. (Mass transit because you’re more likely to see commuters! Outside big cities you will measure fewer people walking to work, because they drove). So, strongly correlated with economic activity and cultural factors around timeliness, but no deep psychological explanation required. I walk fast in the city when I’m going to/from work or trying to get somewhere on my break. I don’t walk as fast on the weekends, and tourists in the city certainly seem to be in no particular hurry (at least, it seems that way when stuck behind them clogging up the footpath).
  • dagw 8y ago
    I think there's a secondary aspect here as well. I walk a lot and always have. And while I almost never feel I need to walk 'fast', I've observed that my comfortable walking pace is a lot faster than most people I know who don't walk every day, even when I'm in no particular hurry.
    • Merem 8y ago
      I can confirm it and have to add that it's the same with riding my bike. Moving at a "normal" speed becomes even somewhat hard when with other people who always tell you to slow down (because when you are not paying attention, you are already speeding up again).
• hnruss 8y ago
  I walk faster in the city because there are more people who are walking faster and if I walk slower, they will walk around me, which is more annoying in the city due to the closeness by which people walk. If people kept a respectable distance behind me regardless of my pace, and didn’t try to push past me, I probably wouldn’t walk faster in the city.
• viburnum 8y ago
  Jan Gehl measures walking speed in his studies of how people public space. There's a hundred little factors that go into making a place walkable. And of course people who walk a lot are in better shape and can walk faster.
• burfog 8y ago
  Muggers consistently choose targets based on how they walk. This is shown to be the case even if other physical information is hidden during the research: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20131104-how-muggers-size-up-your-walk http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20131104-how-muggers-size-up... To avoid attack, move with "synchrony and energy", with purpose. The city people are doing exactly this.
  • jasonkester 8y ago
    I just realized that I walk this way whenever I'm traveling in an unfamiliar place and find that I've chosen a route through a sketchy part of town. I'll walk straight through at a brisk pace with a little bit of a scowl on my face as though I'm annoyed to have to be crossing this same area of town again and none of these f'ng people had better get in my f'ng way. Now I know why I do that.
  • api 8y ago
    I was told more or less this many years ago by a friend who grew up in rough neighborhoods. Paraphrasing: "When you walk around in the ghetto just walk like you're packing heat in your jacket." Nobody messed with me. I guess it's science.
• peterwwillis 8y ago
  The whole thing seems like a hammer looking for a nail. It's clear from every study quoted that there were always multiple factors that changed the results, and they were trying to find one "overall" factor, but even that was limited. For example, most of the "walking speed" measurements are done in "downtown locations". Most cities are not made up of downtown locations, downtown is one location in the city, so the measurements only indicate why people walk fast in downtown locations. They also quote other factors that change the results, like environment, and culture. So basically the results change for any cities that aren't identical. And they're trying to use a national metric (GDP) to relate to walking speed in individual cities, when it's obvious that walking speed is going to relate more to local economic metrics, not national.
• dm33tri 8y ago
  They walk faster but still slow. I'm amazed by how little they care for others. You can't cut them in front because they are fast and don't see you, you can't pass them from behind because they are slow and don't see you. (Same goes for many cyclists. Only car drivers seem to care about surroundings and their speed.)
• pimmen 8y ago
  Cities have more young people and a higher proportion of women than rural areas (women are more likely to walk or use public transportation than men). The researchers have t6o do better than just look at two variables, see that they correlate and jump right to drawing conclusions.
• de_watcher 8y ago
  In crowded environments when you go slow you feel bad that you're making people go around you. So your speed naturally climbs to the speed of the faster people. Even if there are few of them the overall speed will increase. Subways just have flow speeds.
• anotheryou 8y ago
  Maybe it's just how many people are late for work/appointments they measure. Travel time is less predictable in the city. But actually I think it's a mix: more dates in peoples lifes, wanting to flee the noise (little joy in transit on foot), false urgency to catch public transit because murphies lets you remember all the times you just so missed the tram, as noted by others: more transit by foot in the city in general because of public transport.
• scirocco 8y ago
  Related book recommendation: A geography of time
• rikkus 8y ago
  Opinion on factors based on introspection: - Desire to shorten the parts of the commute where I can’t read a book (on my phone) - Desire to shorten the commute in general to maximise time at home or work (day is more relaxed if you arrive earlier) - Have a set of transport departure times in mind, for the optimal ‘smooth’ journey and want to be sure to arrive early enough to guarantee not missing these. Lowers stress. - Brisk walking raises heart rate and brings endorphins - Everyone else walks at this speed. To deviate makes it harder for the person deviating as they aren’t working with the ‘flow’.
• INTPenis 8y ago
  I'm fairly certain why I walk fast in a city and it's because of the lights and buses. In certain parts of downtown you turn into a video game character because you've learned how all the crosswalk lights work, how the traffic flows. So if I see that I might make a green light if I walk faster I start to speed up, and then I catch myself maybe 20 meters after the light and slow down. Same with trying to avoid bicycle paths and catch buses. It's all one big video game and it raises your pace significantly. I often catch myself walking faster than I intended and make an effort to slow down.
• frumiousirc 8y ago
  > "The resulting correlation between walking speed and population was strikingly linear" > (plot with logarithmic axis) /me closes tab
• arandr0x 8y ago
  It would be interesting to relate this to how stimulating the environment is. I walk fast in cities because doing so lets my brain "compress" the information from the never ending shop windows, people yelling, people walking, cars honking, people asking for money, ambient music, street names, landmarks, camera flashes etc. I also walk very fast in malls for this reason. (A correlate is --yes-- I actually walk slower at night, because there is more to pay attention to at night.) It's possible that fast walking is an adaptation to decrease the neurological load from the stimuli economic activity generates (or even a consequence of the fact that exciting things prime the brain towards moving and make physical action more desirable), and not a consequence of "how much your time is worth".
• sonnyblarney 8y ago
  They are more likely to be commuters, have jobs and need to be somewhere. I'm originally from a small town and everything is slower there, not just walking. Time is processed differently. Also - consider if they did the same measurement in a city, but out in the burbs? I'll be you find most people not so fast.