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For a perspective, 3m euro is about two lifetimes of an average salary in Berlin (north of 2k monthly after taxes)

• eastendguy 8y ago
  Nobody in IT earns only 2K a month in Berlin...
  • shinryuu 8y ago
    It's after tax. I earn 2.5k after tax.
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    • ChuckNorris89 8y ago
      That seems pretty low to me. Can you buy a house in Berlin with that income? It's almost what a dev makes in Romania and there you can buy a decent house with that income.
      • expertentipp 8y ago
        Buy?! You'll have hard time renting, and money is only part of the issue.
      • Aeolun 8y ago
        In the Netherlands that would be fairly normal too. Comes out to around €4000 per month pre-tax, or €56000 (12m + 2m bonus) per year.
      • ido 8y ago
        It is normal in Germany & even more so in the big cities like Berlin for people to rent their whole lives - there are a lot of tenants protections & rent control here that make that less risky.
        • ChuckNorris89 8y ago
          So many people renting their whole lives sounds to me like in Germany most properties are owned by a privileged few and the remaining being forced to be their tennants. Does nobody see anything wrong with that? Rent control laws don't make this OK in my book.
          • pantalaimon 8y ago
            Well there are indeed many people who call for expropriation now. https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/civey-umfrage-fuer-den-tagesspiegel-mehrheit-der-berliner-fuer-enteignung-von-grossvermietern/23837788.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/civey-umfrage-fuer-den-ta...
          • expertentipp 8y ago
            Yes, consolidations on the market are a thing with an additional side effect - as owning a property is professonalized it’s even more difficult and expensive for an individual to own.
          • ido 8y ago
            If you're asking for my opinion residential real estate should be publicly owned, like hospitals, transport infrastructure, (public) schools/universities, etc. Or at the very least the land under it should never be sold, only leased from the state.
      • superpermutat0r 8y ago
        That does seem pretty low. I make 500 Euros less and I'm a junior Dev in Croatia, wouldn't move to Germany for that kind of money.
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  • pantalaimon 8y ago
    Well I do…
    • ChuckNorris89 8y ago
      By any chance, do you also happen to be Romanian? :)
      • pantalaimon 8y ago
        No, German in Berlin.
      • expertentipp 8y ago
        Having talked with some Romanians, software professionals’ salaries in Romania are not far behind average German ones. They wouldn't be the first I would accuse of wage dumping (that would be Ukrainians, Russians, Bangladeshis, and Indians). It’s that everything else in Romania is shit.
        • ChuckNorris89 8y ago
          Except the nationalities you listed are not EU while Romanians are. Thre's plenty of things wrong with Romania starting with the corruption, but I wouldn't say everything is shit. Othwewise the local tech hubs wouldn't be full of westerners working here. I also miss the above average wages and the above average women. :) Seeing the wages in Germany vs the property prices makes me feel poor.
  • ahartmetz 8y ago
    2k net is doable but rare and becoming rarer. I guess the average is around 3k net.