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First, Webpack and Babel are totally used for backend. If you look at a lot of Node libraries, they use ES6 modules in their [docs](https://github.com/graphql/g

First, Webpack and Babel are totally used for backend. If you look at a lot of Node libraries, they use ES6 modules in their [docs](https://github.com/graphql/graphql-js https://github.com/graphql/graphql-js). While you could use mjs for this, it's still experimental. I do think create-react-app is a good innovation in the JS world. However, I've never found a good equivalent on the back end. Setting up even the most basic CRUD REST API requires a whole lot of typing for very little reward. As for convention, I think JS could do with more of it. I find that when I talk about adding more convention, people take it quite literally as "we need to reinvent Rails in JS". That's not at all what I mean. Convention can be something as simple as Rack, which is a consistent, useful interface between servers. Convention does not and is not tied to monoliths or MVC or any other aspect of Rails.

com2kid 8y ago
> I do think create-react-app is a good innovation in the JS world. However, I've never found a good equivalent on the back end. Setting up even the most basic CRUD REST API requires a whole lot of typing for very little reward. This is where services like Google Firebase Functions become useful. I went from having never written a REST API in my life, to up and running in under 20 minutes. First time I went to create some endpoints on my own server, wow, that was a pain.
- _hardwaregeek 8y ago
  Firebase is a dream. It's almost a shame they got bought by Google because it's such a fantastic idea. All of the things I used to dread setting up (auth, deployment, serverless) are automated and dead easy. The documentation is clear and caters to the common usecases. I managed to set up a Sendgrid email that sends on database writes within an hour or two.
  - com2kid 8y ago
    > The documentation is clear and caters to the common usecases. I wouldn't quite say that, but I'll agree with your other points. :) (More than once the docs have been out of date, or just flat out wrong, costing me many hours of development time...)
undersheet 8y ago
JS is so good for APIS because of its dynamic JS objects. If you then take also a document storage you don't need any ORM anymore and write your entire API in 5 mins. Rails was a nightmare compared. JS lets you do stuff yourself. You don't any framework holding your hand. Maybe that's your problem.
- Daishiman 8y ago
  In what world you think the usability of a language is determined by being able to get a Restful API up in 5 minutes? Yeah, document storage for business-critical data. I'll pass. There's a reason important data gets stored in Postgres.

com2kid 8y ago

> I do think create-react-app is a good innovation in the JS world. However, I've never found a good equivalent on the back end. Setting up even the most basic CRUD REST API requires a whole lot of typing for very little reward. This is where services like Google Firebase Functions become useful. I went from having never written a REST API in my life, to up and running in under 20 minutes. First time I went to create some endpoints on my own server, wow, that was a pain.

_hardwaregeek 8y ago
Firebase is a dream. It's almost a shame they got bought by Google because it's such a fantastic idea. All of the things I used to dread setting up (auth, deployment, serverless) are automated and dead easy. The documentation is clear and caters to the common usecases. I managed to set up a Sendgrid email that sends on database writes within an hour or two.
- com2kid 8y ago
  > The documentation is clear and caters to the common usecases. I wouldn't quite say that, but I'll agree with your other points. :) (More than once the docs have been out of date, or just flat out wrong, costing me many hours of development time...)

undersheet 8y ago

JS is so good for APIS because of its dynamic JS objects. If you then take also a document storage you don't need any ORM anymore and write your entire API in 5 mins. Rails was a nightmare compared. JS lets you do stuff yourself. You don't any framework holding your hand. Maybe that's your problem.

Daishiman 8y ago
In what world you think the usability of a language is determined by being able to get a Restful API up in 5 minutes? Yeah, document storage for business-critical data. I'll pass. There's a reason important data gets stored in Postgres.