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> Java, C#, Rails, and to some extent Python are much saner choices. Python not as scalable, Rails is stagnating, the ecosystem doesn't evolve anymore/dying, d

> Java, C#, Rails, and to some extent Python are much saner choices. Python not as scalable, Rails is stagnating, the ecosystem doesn't evolve anymore/dying, doesn't play well with SPAs, C# weak to none ecosystem outside of Windows and devs earn a fraction, Java verbose and dev productivity subpar (there was a reason people came up with Scala), Java devs also suffer lower salaries

spricket 8y ago
I agree about critiques for most of those languages but not java. If you reach out to the Java ecosystem you can find libraries, frameworks, and language extensions that make it relatively easy to code in. For example, with Lombok you don't have to write any getters and setters, or catch checked exceptions. Java 11 also makes good improvements to lamdas making method chaining a lot nicer. The Java I write at work is barely more verbose than the TypeScript, maybe 15% more code to do the same thing. Java devs also get paid really well honestly, pretty sure it's better than the pay for JS and Python actually.
- undersheet 8y ago
  Python maybe but JS not. React devs are paud higher than any Java coder.
optimuspaul 8y ago
> Python not as scalable Not scalable in what way? Every aspect of scalable that I can think of is in no way limited by choosing python as your language.
- undersheet 8y ago
  > I can think of Mayne that is your problem. Try new stuff. V8 is still one of the fastest and most optimized VMs.
  - Daishiman 8y ago
    That has absolutely no relationship to backend scalability whatsoever.
    - undersheet 8y ago
      Docker/k8s
cmwoodall 8y ago
"Rails... ...doesn't play well with SPAs" Huh? Rails ships with built-in, no-config webpack support (https://github.com/rails/webpacker#installation https://github.com/rails/webpacker#installation) as well as install tasks for the most-popular front-end solutions (https://github.com/rails/webpacker#integrations https://github.com/rails/webpacker#integrations)
- undersheet 8y ago
  Rails is so 2010 and SPA stuff is half-baken.

spricket 8y ago

I agree about critiques for most of those languages but not java. If you reach out to the Java ecosystem you can find libraries, frameworks, and language extensions that make it relatively easy to code in. For example, with Lombok you don't have to write any getters and setters, or catch checked exceptions. Java 11 also makes good improvements to lamdas making method chaining a lot nicer. The Java I write at work is barely more verbose than the TypeScript, maybe 15% more code to do the same thing. Java devs also get paid really well honestly, pretty sure it's better than the pay for JS and Python actually.

undersheet 8y ago
Python maybe but JS not. React devs are paud higher than any Java coder.

optimuspaul 8y ago

> Python not as scalable Not scalable in what way? Every aspect of scalable that I can think of is in no way limited by choosing python as your language.

undersheet 8y ago
> I can think of Mayne that is your problem. Try new stuff. V8 is still one of the fastest and most optimized VMs.
- Daishiman 8y ago
  That has absolutely no relationship to backend scalability whatsoever.
  - undersheet 8y ago
    Docker/k8s

cmwoodall 8y ago

"Rails... ...doesn't play well with SPAs" Huh? Rails ships with built-in, no-config webpack support (https://github.com/rails/webpacker#installation https://github.com/rails/webpacker#installation) as well as install tasks for the most-popular front-end solutions (https://github.com/rails/webpacker#integrations https://github.com/rails/webpacker#integrations)

undersheet 8y ago
Rails is so 2010 and SPA stuff is half-baken.