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https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Hous... >In 2012, 51 percent of hous

https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Hous... >In 2012, 51 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) reported that they used at least one welfare program during the year, compared to 30 percent of native households. Welfare in this study includes Medicaid and cash, food, and housing programs. why did you assume that op what making things up?

decebalus1 8y ago
Center for Immigration Studies is a known anti-Immigration bullshit think tank pushing John Tanton's agenda. Nothing coming out of there should be taken seriously. All their 'studies' are biased by default. They're equivalent to the tobacco industry think tank studies on tobacco harm. See another series of viewpoints here: https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/33883/do-immigrants-to-the-us-use-up-more-welfare https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/33883/do-immigr...
- sDlEzAtyoNAz 8y ago
  I specifically did not ask if immigrants use more welfare than non-immigrants. I specifically asked if they use more welfare to raise their children. The responses in your link do not address that question. In fact one of them tries to specifically factor that out: >But as researchers at the libertarian Cato Institute point out, the main reason for the difference is that immigrant households tend to be larger than American households, and are therefore more likely to have children, including American-born children who are eligible for some benefits. >To get a more accurate picture of welfare use, researchers need to compare individuals, not households.... >Overall, poor immigrant households use less welfare than poor American households. Broken down by race, Latino and black immigrant households "massively underconsume" welfare compared to their American counterparts. And then after that, to get even further away from what I asked, they break it down by race, comparing immigrants of a particular race only to natives of that race, instead of comparing the two groups as a whole.
  - decebalus1 8y ago
    I think you're either replying to the wrong discussion thread or you forgot to switch accounts.
    - sDlEzAtyoNAz 8y ago
      I think you did not read the link you posted in your comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18825281 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18825281, because that is what I was quoting.
- blancheneige 8y ago
  I can't claim I'm familiar with the CIS. That said, I'm surprised there aren't some readily accessible official statistics on the matter. You'd think that's something the US census bureau or some other department would keep track of. They sure make no mistake about my immigration status when it comes to filing my taxes.
tptacek 8y ago
Steven Camarota is not a trustworthy source. But don't just take my word for it; take the federal judge in the Kobach voting case, who criticized Kobach for even citing him.

decebalus1 8y ago

Center for Immigration Studies is a known anti-Immigration bullshit think tank pushing John Tanton's agenda. Nothing coming out of there should be taken seriously. All their 'studies' are biased by default. They're equivalent to the tobacco industry think tank studies on tobacco harm. See another series of viewpoints here: https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/33883/do-immigrants-to-the-us-use-up-more-welfare https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/33883/do-immigr...

sDlEzAtyoNAz 8y ago
I specifically did not ask if immigrants use more welfare than non-immigrants. I specifically asked if they use more welfare to raise their children. The responses in your link do not address that question. In fact one of them tries to specifically factor that out: >But as researchers at the libertarian Cato Institute point out, the main reason for the difference is that immigrant households tend to be larger than American households, and are therefore more likely to have children, including American-born children who are eligible for some benefits. >To get a more accurate picture of welfare use, researchers need to compare individuals, not households.... >Overall, poor immigrant households use less welfare than poor American households. Broken down by race, Latino and black immigrant households "massively underconsume" welfare compared to their American counterparts. And then after that, to get even further away from what I asked, they break it down by race, comparing immigrants of a particular race only to natives of that race, instead of comparing the two groups as a whole.
- decebalus1 8y ago
  I think you're either replying to the wrong discussion thread or you forgot to switch accounts.
  - sDlEzAtyoNAz 8y ago
    I think you did not read the link you posted in your comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18825281 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18825281, because that is what I was quoting.
blancheneige 8y ago
I can't claim I'm familiar with the CIS. That said, I'm surprised there aren't some readily accessible official statistics on the matter. You'd think that's something the US census bureau or some other department would keep track of. They sure make no mistake about my immigration status when it comes to filing my taxes.

tptacek 8y ago

Steven Camarota is not a trustworthy source. But don't just take my word for it; take the federal judge in the Kobach voting case, who criticized Kobach for even citing him.