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I think phrasing these things in terms of yes/no questions to specific "hacks" is part of the problem. People ask questions like "should I drink caffeine" and e

by lhorie 8y ago

I think phrasing these things in terms of yes/no questions to specific "hacks" is part of the problem. People ask questions like "should I drink caffeine" and expect the answer to be as clear cut as if the question was "should I breathe" or "should I drink poison". Perhaps it'd more illuminating if people instead asked themselves if there's enough variety and moderation in their lifestyle: e.g. "what vegetables did I eat this week that I didn't last week", "what percentage of daily suggested intake did I consume for fats and sugar compared to other food groups this week", "what percentage of my time have I spent on aerobic (e.g. jogging) vs anaerobic (e.g. push ups) vs mental (e.g. chess) vs dexterity (e.g. knitting) vs sedentary (e.g. tv) activities this week", etc.

nitwit005 8y ago
What you're suggesting is, in effect, that people should keep a food journal, and an activity journal, including a breakdown of food groups, and fats and sugars by weight. That, in turn, requires research for foods that don't come with nutrition labels, tabulating the results, and studying it to see the changes over time. I suspect anyone willing to do that is probably already healthy, given the amount of effort they're willing to put in.
- lhorie 8y ago
  It doesn't need to be scientifically rigorous. In fact, getting away from the obsession with precision is kinda the whole point. It ought to be easy for someone to realize they are having too many sodas, or playing too much video games if they think in terms of e.g. what diet/activity restrictions they might impose on hypothetical kids. Those kinds of realizations are way more actionable and way more likely to make an impact than some dubious diet "hack" It may seem borderline corny to ask people to eat their brussel sprouts and limit their gaming/tv time, but alas many don't even do that.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > It ought to be easy for someone to realize they are having too many sodas, or playing too much video games if they think in terms of e.g. what diet/activity restrictions they might impose on hypothetical kids. People often impose poorly chosen parameters on their actual children, so I'm not at all convinced that merely considering what one would impose on abstract hypothetical children will magically get people to correct answers.
    - lhorie 8y ago
      I didn't say actual kids, I said _hypothetical_ kids. Even parents whose actual diets consist of pizza, burgers and KFC every week would probably acknowledge that their life choices are made out of convenience, time or budget concerns, not because they believe those to be the pinnacle of health. Besides, as I mentioned, armchair parenting is just one "trick" to help one brainstorm towards a variety/moderation mindset. Chinese cooking culture - particularly from older generations - is another way to build variety and moderation into a diet. Some people motivate themselves with martial arts (where health, pressure to maintain frequency and balance between aerobic/anaerobic exercise are somewhat secondary compared to the desire to improve technical skill) > get people to correct answers. I don't believe there are "correct" answers. Even mundane things like climbing stairs to the bedroom have been shown to improve health. As TFA expands on, it's a question of how one can incorporate more healthy habits into their life. This won't accomplished with repeatedly reaching for the "one weird trick"; there are millions of ways to become more active/healthy... if only people toned down on addictive sedentary activities like social media and the conveniences of pre-made food.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > I suspect anyone willing to do that is probably already healthy, A fair number of people get healthy by doing that as part of the effort, so, no, not all the people willing to do that are healthy before actually doing it. > given the amount of effort they're willing to put in. Willingness to put in effort alone won't make you healthy, alone; effort on healthiness can be, and often is, misdirected. Also, willingness to put in effort isn't intrinsic and immutable; it can be dependent on being convinced that the ffort is likely to payoff.
- nradov 8y ago
  I don't use it myself but a lot of people use the MyFitnessPal mobile app as a food journal. It's already programmed with many food types so they don't need nutrition labels. Most users have to rely on a food scale at first to accurately measure portions but they supposedly they get good at eyeballing it after a while. https://www.myfitnesspal.com/ https://www.myfitnesspal.com/ Modern fitness trackers are pretty good at automatically creating activity journals.
  - kochthesecond 8y ago
    I did exactly this for a few months when losing a bit of weight. You quickly get pretty good at eyeballing portions. What I did find the most interesting though, was how hard it was to stop. After only 3 months of cutting, it took me over a year to restore a non-obsessive relationship with food. I am comfortable with my weight now, and it was a very useful exercise that I would recommend most try out. You get a valuable understanding of how much work a bar of chocolate or a beer actually is.

by lhorie 8y ago

nitwit005 8y ago

What you're suggesting is, in effect, that people should keep a food journal, and an activity journal, including a breakdown of food groups, and fats and sugars by weight. That, in turn, requires research for foods that don't come with nutrition labels, tabulating the results, and studying it to see the changes over time. I suspect anyone willing to do that is probably already healthy, given the amount of effort they're willing to put in.

lhorie 8y ago
It doesn't need to be scientifically rigorous. In fact, getting away from the obsession with precision is kinda the whole point. It ought to be easy for someone to realize they are having too many sodas, or playing too much video games if they think in terms of e.g. what diet/activity restrictions they might impose on hypothetical kids. Those kinds of realizations are way more actionable and way more likely to make an impact than some dubious diet "hack" It may seem borderline corny to ask people to eat their brussel sprouts and limit their gaming/tv time, but alas many don't even do that.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > It ought to be easy for someone to realize they are having too many sodas, or playing too much video games if they think in terms of e.g. what diet/activity restrictions they might impose on hypothetical kids. People often impose poorly chosen parameters on their actual children, so I'm not at all convinced that merely considering what one would impose on abstract hypothetical children will magically get people to correct answers.
  - lhorie 8y ago
    I didn't say actual kids, I said _hypothetical_ kids. Even parents whose actual diets consist of pizza, burgers and KFC every week would probably acknowledge that their life choices are made out of convenience, time or budget concerns, not because they believe those to be the pinnacle of health. Besides, as I mentioned, armchair parenting is just one "trick" to help one brainstorm towards a variety/moderation mindset. Chinese cooking culture - particularly from older generations - is another way to build variety and moderation into a diet. Some people motivate themselves with martial arts (where health, pressure to maintain frequency and balance between aerobic/anaerobic exercise are somewhat secondary compared to the desire to improve technical skill) > get people to correct answers. I don't believe there are "correct" answers. Even mundane things like climbing stairs to the bedroom have been shown to improve health. As TFA expands on, it's a question of how one can incorporate more healthy habits into their life. This won't accomplished with repeatedly reaching for the "one weird trick"; there are millions of ways to become more active/healthy... if only people toned down on addictive sedentary activities like social media and the conveniences of pre-made food.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> I suspect anyone willing to do that is probably already healthy, A fair number of people get healthy by doing that as part of the effort, so, no, not all the people willing to do that are healthy before actually doing it. > given the amount of effort they're willing to put in. Willingness to put in effort alone won't make you healthy, alone; effort on healthiness can be, and often is, misdirected. Also, willingness to put in effort isn't intrinsic and immutable; it can be dependent on being convinced that the ffort is likely to payoff.
nradov 8y ago
I don't use it myself but a lot of people use the MyFitnessPal mobile app as a food journal. It's already programmed with many food types so they don't need nutrition labels. Most users have to rely on a food scale at first to accurately measure portions but they supposedly they get good at eyeballing it after a while. https://www.myfitnesspal.com/ https://www.myfitnesspal.com/ Modern fitness trackers are pretty good at automatically creating activity journals.
- kochthesecond 8y ago
  I did exactly this for a few months when losing a bit of weight. You quickly get pretty good at eyeballing portions. What I did find the most interesting though, was how hard it was to stop. After only 3 months of cutting, it took me over a year to restore a non-obsessive relationship with food. I am comfortable with my weight now, and it was a very useful exercise that I would recommend most try out. You get a valuable understanding of how much work a bar of chocolate or a beer actually is.