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Show HN: Startup jobs of 2018, visualized

giarc 8y ago
I'm getting 404'd on many pages https://startup.jobs/@spacex https://startup.jobs/@spacex https://startup.jobs/@shopify https://startup.jobs/@shopify
diegorbaquero 8y ago
Unfortunately I'm getting a 404 not found. Looking forward to see it!
piotrkubisa 8y ago
Hugged to 404?
- keesj 8y ago
  Afraid so. The 404 is happening because the server cannot find a 50x.html file. I'm adding caching as we speak. Expect the site to be back up in a few minutes.
  - keesj 8y ago
    …aanndddd we're back!
    - piotrkubisa 8y ago
      Thanks!
rhapsodic 8y ago
Linkedin and Netflix are still considered startups?
- keesj 8y ago
  Developer of Startup Jobs here. We use a pretty broad definition of the word startup. In future analysis I'll see if we can differentiate between early-stage, later-stage, etc.
  - dentemple 8y ago
    LinkedIn is straight up a Microsoft property now, so it's not even considered "late-stage" anymore. Netflix was founded in the late 90s, so if you consider them a startup, then the term is pretty much meaningless. This really puts your overall methodology in doubt.
    - cperciva 8y ago
      I agree that Netflix isn't a startup, but I'd say that looking at their founding date is misleading -- Netflix-the-streaming-video-service is an almost completely different company from Netflix-the-DVDs-in-the-mail company.
    - keesj 8y ago
      Some good points. We don't concrete criteria for which companies we consider startups, but it's something along the lines of "is this a technology company that is disrupting the marketing, and/or rapidly evolving its business model"? I do think that's the case for Netflix, even though technically it was founded a while ago. LinkedIn is a bit harder to defend as its business model seems to have stagnated.
      - jkaplowitz 8y ago
        I wouldn't think any publicly traded company, nor any subsidiary of a non-startup, qualifies as a startup, even if they previously did before they exited. The tough categorization calls in my opinion are for slow-growing or stagnant long-private tech companies. With your definition, doesn't Amazon still qualify? It's majorly disrupting markets and rapidly evolving its business model. And it's definitely a tech company.
    - jammygit 8y ago
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- zachpendleton 8y ago
  was surprised to see java as the #3 technology behind iOS and android, but this explains it.
  - jammygit 8y ago
    I was surprised to see the top technologies be what they are. It differs from some other lists I've seen.
cozzyd 8y ago
West Virginia really had no postings?
- keesj 8y ago
  I double checked our database and there were indeed no postings for West Virginia. There were 2 in 2017.
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debt 8y ago
120,000 jobs is almost within itself the size of Apple. I mean unless these jobs are serving totally unique products and market otherwise I can envision a future where all these jobs overlap in some form and coagulate into a single giant startup.
teacpde 8y ago
Feels weird to see Microsoft as a technology in the top technologies diagram. Also it is surprising that there are many job posts for assembly.
- rhacker 8y ago
  I was also surprised that the word Docker or Containers didn't make the list in that section.
- pkaye 8y ago
  If you drill down the assembly jobs seems related to manufacturing assembly.
  - teacpde 8y ago
    Ha, that makes sense but also doesn't, manufacturing assembly as a technology?
    - pkaye 8y ago
      Remember this is a list of startups which doesn't always imply technology. And even technology companies need people to manufacture and assembly stuff.
adjkant 8y ago
Over 90% senior positions is very interesting to me.
- warent 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure this is a result of non-technical people calling the shots on what roles they're hiring for. ROLE: Sr. Full Stack Engineer Level 5 MUST HAVE: 10+ YEARS JAVASCRIPT EXPERIENCE 4+ YEARS JSON EXPERIENCE 7+ YEARS PERL ON RAILS EXPERIENCE Linux Sketch / Adobe Photoshop / InVision PhD in Machine Learning And not to soapbox here too much but but sadly I actually have come across a job ad demanding "4+ years JSON experience"
  - arkis22 8y ago
    Don't you love it when companies signal that you really probably shouldn't work there
    - irontoby 8y ago
      I wouldn't count out a company based solely on a poorly-written job description. Those are often put together by less-technical recruiters or the HR department. And yeah, maybe the team that's hiring should be more involved in the actual job posting, but the whole hiring process is such a huge PITA and time-suck that they're too happy to hand off whatever part they can.
  - lizmat 8y ago
    > 7+ YEARS PERL ON RAILS EXPERIENCE What's "Perl on Rails"? Isn't it supposed to be "Ruby on Rails"?
- bbeekley 8y ago
  "Job posts not specifying a seniority level are excluded." 13824 senior positions / 120548 total openings = 11.5% senior. If we assume "senior" only applies to "dev" and "engineer it becomes 13824/(15484+9723) = 54.8%. Somewhere between those sounds right for ratio of senior position ads I've seen.
wmab 8y ago
It's great that you have lots of data to be able to analyze, but I think you've missed the point with that you're analyzing. I'm not sure what the visualizing is doing to offer any insight? Just graphs of months where it goes up or down at a slight varied rate, and a geo graph showing that (obviously) CA and NY have the most job openings? I think the only interesting "insight" (If you could call it that) is the popularity of different technologies (though not how its changed in 2018 vs 2017, or how it differs by company, or salary range). Who's the audience - those looking for jobs in startups? Those who research the industry? Job posting sites use their data as a leading economic indicator - can you point to anything in this realm from this data? Analysis that would make this more insightful and actionable would include: a) Show the data compared to previous years, to say for example if hiring by month was actually cyclical b) Jobs by startup - ie, what percentage of Carvana jobs are eng, sales, finance etc c) No salary information analyzed - probably the most interesting data is missing d) A table of top 10 countries by no. postings vs their previous year would give more info to your geo graph e) Is startup appetite for remote workers growing over time? As a number of jobs and as a percentage of jobs - and what areas are there higher % of jobs going to remote workers? A good example of a valuable data company is Statista [1] (links to how a geo graph works with a table), where they have this sort of data over a longer time horizon - which provides more actionable insights (eg, is my industry growing, what is the penetration rate?). If there were more ways this pie was sliced then I could see many interesting insights coming from such a useful dataset! [1] https://www.statista.com/outlook/15000000/109/consumer-electronics/united-states#market-globalRevenue https://www.statista.com/outlook/15000000/109/consumer-elect...
- marckohlbrugge 8y ago
  These are some great points. I appreciate you taking the time to write them down. I'll see which of them I can implement. a) Comparison with previous years will be totally doable. As a quick hack you can simply compare with https://startup.jobs/trends/2017 https://startup.jobs/trends/2017 – but I understand ideally you want the graphs to show the comparison. b) Jobs by Startup. This is indeed something I'm planning to add to the Startup pages like http://startup.jobs/@carvana http://startup.jobs/@carvana c) I agree salary information would be super interesting. Unfortunately very little of that is public information so I simply don't have it. d) Data goes back to mid 2016 so we don't have a ton of historical data. But for next year I could look into historical line graphs for top 10 companies. e) I like the idea of cross referencing sector/skill and remote work. I do have the data to compare e.g. engineering jobs versus communication/PR jobs in terms of remote job openings. Thanks again!
mikekchar 8y ago
I'd be curious to know what the ratio of location dependent remote jobs compared to world wide remote jobs are. I suspect that the latter are practically non-existent (i.e. 10s total at best), but you never know...
andreyazimov 8y ago
This is great. What tools/languages have you used to build it?
irontoby 8y ago
I was curious as to why neither C# nor .NET appeared on the "Top Technologies" graph. Then I realized it apparently combines C, C++, and C# into a single bucket, given that the same tag [1] also shows jobs for all three. [1] https://startup.jobs/c https://startup.jobs/c
- cdoxsey 8y ago
  This website is a great example of the challenges with being data-driven. It leads to a conclusion which is terribly flawed because of a failure to account for relevant nuance in the data. C# is definitely not C++ or C. It would be better to lump it with Java. But how many developers are now going to walk away thinking they should bone up on C since there are apparently so many positions out there for it? And how many other statistics out there are similarly flawed? How much of our day-to-day off-the-cuff knowledge is based on poor data entry?
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I'm getting 404'd on many pages https://startup.jobs/@spacex https://startup.jobs/@spacex https://startup.jobs/@shopify https://startup.jobs/@shopify

diegorbaquero 8y ago

Unfortunately I'm getting a 404 not found. Looking forward to see it!

piotrkubisa 8y ago

Hugged to 404?

keesj 8y ago
Afraid so. The 404 is happening because the server cannot find a 50x.html file. I'm adding caching as we speak. Expect the site to be back up in a few minutes.
- keesj 8y ago
  …aanndddd we're back!
  - piotrkubisa 8y ago
    Thanks!

rhapsodic 8y ago

Linkedin and Netflix are still considered startups?

keesj 8y ago
Developer of Startup Jobs here. We use a pretty broad definition of the word startup. In future analysis I'll see if we can differentiate between early-stage, later-stage, etc.
- dentemple 8y ago
  LinkedIn is straight up a Microsoft property now, so it's not even considered "late-stage" anymore. Netflix was founded in the late 90s, so if you consider them a startup, then the term is pretty much meaningless. This really puts your overall methodology in doubt.
  - cperciva 8y ago
    I agree that Netflix isn't a startup, but I'd say that looking at their founding date is misleading -- Netflix-the-streaming-video-service is an almost completely different company from Netflix-the-DVDs-in-the-mail company.
  - keesj 8y ago
    Some good points. We don't concrete criteria for which companies we consider startups, but it's something along the lines of "is this a technology company that is disrupting the marketing, and/or rapidly evolving its business model"? I do think that's the case for Netflix, even though technically it was founded a while ago. LinkedIn is a bit harder to defend as its business model seems to have stagnated.
    - jkaplowitz 8y ago
      I wouldn't think any publicly traded company, nor any subsidiary of a non-startup, qualifies as a startup, even if they previously did before they exited. The tough categorization calls in my opinion are for slow-growing or stagnant long-private tech companies. With your definition, doesn't Amazon still qualify? It's majorly disrupting markets and rapidly evolving its business model. And it's definitely a tech company.
  - jammygit 8y ago
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zachpendleton 8y ago
was surprised to see java as the #3 technology behind iOS and android, but this explains it.
- jammygit 8y ago
  I was surprised to see the top technologies be what they are. It differs from some other lists I've seen.

cozzyd 8y ago

West Virginia really had no postings?

keesj 8y ago
I double checked our database and there were indeed no postings for West Virginia. There were 2 in 2017.
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debt 8y ago

120,000 jobs is almost within itself the size of Apple. I mean unless these jobs are serving totally unique products and market otherwise I can envision a future where all these jobs overlap in some form and coagulate into a single giant startup.

teacpde 8y ago

Feels weird to see Microsoft as a technology in the top technologies diagram. Also it is surprising that there are many job posts for assembly.

rhacker 8y ago
I was also surprised that the word Docker or Containers didn't make the list in that section.
pkaye 8y ago
If you drill down the assembly jobs seems related to manufacturing assembly.
- teacpde 8y ago
  Ha, that makes sense but also doesn't, manufacturing assembly as a technology?
  - pkaye 8y ago
    Remember this is a list of startups which doesn't always imply technology. And even technology companies need people to manufacture and assembly stuff.

adjkant 8y ago

Over 90% senior positions is very interesting to me.

warent 8y ago
I'm pretty sure this is a result of non-technical people calling the shots on what roles they're hiring for. ROLE: Sr. Full Stack Engineer Level 5 MUST HAVE: 10+ YEARS JAVASCRIPT EXPERIENCE 4+ YEARS JSON EXPERIENCE 7+ YEARS PERL ON RAILS EXPERIENCE Linux Sketch / Adobe Photoshop / InVision PhD in Machine Learning And not to soapbox here too much but but sadly I actually have come across a job ad demanding "4+ years JSON experience"
- arkis22 8y ago
  Don't you love it when companies signal that you really probably shouldn't work there
  - irontoby 8y ago
    I wouldn't count out a company based solely on a poorly-written job description. Those are often put together by less-technical recruiters or the HR department. And yeah, maybe the team that's hiring should be more involved in the actual job posting, but the whole hiring process is such a huge PITA and time-suck that they're too happy to hand off whatever part they can.
- lizmat 8y ago
  > 7+ YEARS PERL ON RAILS EXPERIENCE What's "Perl on Rails"? Isn't it supposed to be "Ruby on Rails"?
bbeekley 8y ago
"Job posts not specifying a seniority level are excluded." 13824 senior positions / 120548 total openings = 11.5% senior. If we assume "senior" only applies to "dev" and "engineer it becomes 13824/(15484+9723) = 54.8%. Somewhere between those sounds right for ratio of senior position ads I've seen.

wmab 8y ago

It's great that you have lots of data to be able to analyze, but I think you've missed the point with that you're analyzing. I'm not sure what the visualizing is doing to offer any insight? Just graphs of months where it goes up or down at a slight varied rate, and a geo graph showing that (obviously) CA and NY have the most job openings? I think the only interesting "insight" (If you could call it that) is the popularity of different technologies (though not how its changed in 2018 vs 2017, or how it differs by company, or salary range). Who's the audience - those looking for jobs in startups? Those who research the industry? Job posting sites use their data as a leading economic indicator - can you point to anything in this realm from this data? Analysis that would make this more insightful and actionable would include: a) Show the data compared to previous years, to say for example if hiring by month was actually cyclical b) Jobs by startup - ie, what percentage of Carvana jobs are eng, sales, finance etc c) No salary information analyzed - probably the most interesting data is missing d) A table of top 10 countries by no. postings vs their previous year would give more info to your geo graph e) Is startup appetite for remote workers growing over time? As a number of jobs and as a percentage of jobs - and what areas are there higher % of jobs going to remote workers? A good example of a valuable data company is Statista [1] (links to how a geo graph works with a table), where they have this sort of data over a longer time horizon - which provides more actionable insights (eg, is my industry growing, what is the penetration rate?). If there were more ways this pie was sliced then I could see many interesting insights coming from such a useful dataset! [1] https://www.statista.com/outlook/15000000/109/consumer-electronics/united-states#market-globalRevenue https://www.statista.com/outlook/15000000/109/consumer-elect...

marckohlbrugge 8y ago
These are some great points. I appreciate you taking the time to write them down. I'll see which of them I can implement. a) Comparison with previous years will be totally doable. As a quick hack you can simply compare with https://startup.jobs/trends/2017 https://startup.jobs/trends/2017 – but I understand ideally you want the graphs to show the comparison. b) Jobs by Startup. This is indeed something I'm planning to add to the Startup pages like http://startup.jobs/@carvana http://startup.jobs/@carvana c) I agree salary information would be super interesting. Unfortunately very little of that is public information so I simply don't have it. d) Data goes back to mid 2016 so we don't have a ton of historical data. But for next year I could look into historical line graphs for top 10 companies. e) I like the idea of cross referencing sector/skill and remote work. I do have the data to compare e.g. engineering jobs versus communication/PR jobs in terms of remote job openings. Thanks again!

mikekchar 8y ago

I'd be curious to know what the ratio of location dependent remote jobs compared to world wide remote jobs are. I suspect that the latter are practically non-existent (i.e. 10s total at best), but you never know...

andreyazimov 8y ago

This is great. What tools/languages have you used to build it?

irontoby 8y ago

I was curious as to why neither C# nor .NET appeared on the "Top Technologies" graph. Then I realized it apparently combines C, C++, and C# into a single bucket, given that the same tag [1] also shows jobs for all three. [1] https://startup.jobs/c https://startup.jobs/c

cdoxsey 8y ago
This website is a great example of the challenges with being data-driven. It leads to a conclusion which is terribly flawed because of a failure to account for relevant nuance in the data. C# is definitely not C++ or C. It would be better to lump it with Java. But how many developers are now going to walk away thinking they should bone up on C since there are apparently so many positions out there for it? And how many other statistics out there are similarly flawed? How much of our day-to-day off-the-cuff knowledge is based on poor data entry?

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