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I think the whole point of putting a "wall" on it, is to create a sense of urgency. It's more effective psychologically to say, fix it by X date, than it is to

I think the whole point of putting a "wall" on it, is to create a sense of urgency. It's more effective psychologically to say, fix it by X date, than it is to say, well, you know, just do what you can.

dwighttk 8y ago
The danger though is that people will remember that you said “we only have ten years” in ten years and say to themselves “doesn’t seem so bad to me, why should I change anything now?”
- phkahler 8y ago
  >> The danger though is that people will remember that you said “we only have ten years” in ten years and say to themselves “doesn’t seem so bad to me, why should I change anything now? That has already happened. Circa 2000 we were warned that in (I don't recall the exact number) 15 years time things would go wrong and be beyond the point of reversibility. So to your point, that is a potential problem. But it seems that people don't remember what anyone said 20 years ago so it's maybe not really a problem after all.
- jordan801 8y ago
  That is true. I'm not sure if there's really a way to go about it that isn't going to have some short comings. At least this way we're seeing a level of unprecedented awareness. It'll be a shame if twelve years from now, everyone trying to be more environmentally friendly, decides that it was all a lie and quit. Fortunately (Unfortunately?) we'll probably be seeing more of the effects in twelve years, and that'll hopefully keep people on the bandwagon.
- radarsat1 8y ago
  > in ten years and say to themselves "doesn’t seem so bad to me..." except we don't have to wait 10 years, it is already bad. We are already seeing pretty drastic changes in weather patterns are we not?
  - dwighttk 8y ago
    "doesn't seem so bad to me..." can be thought in response to a very broad range of situations
- marcosdumay 8y ago
  Even worse, people will remember you saying "we only have 30 years" in 5 years and complain that you are always calling for the end of the world, but it never comes. That's what happened for cheap oil, where people had predictions with reasonable confidence.
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ra1n85 8y ago
But then you’re manipulating people, and suggesting the ends justify the means.

dwighttk 8y ago

The danger though is that people will remember that you said “we only have ten years” in ten years and say to themselves “doesn’t seem so bad to me, why should I change anything now?”

phkahler 8y ago
>> The danger though is that people will remember that you said “we only have ten years” in ten years and say to themselves “doesn’t seem so bad to me, why should I change anything now? That has already happened. Circa 2000 we were warned that in (I don't recall the exact number) 15 years time things would go wrong and be beyond the point of reversibility. So to your point, that is a potential problem. But it seems that people don't remember what anyone said 20 years ago so it's maybe not really a problem after all.
jordan801 8y ago
That is true. I'm not sure if there's really a way to go about it that isn't going to have some short comings. At least this way we're seeing a level of unprecedented awareness. It'll be a shame if twelve years from now, everyone trying to be more environmentally friendly, decides that it was all a lie and quit. Fortunately (Unfortunately?) we'll probably be seeing more of the effects in twelve years, and that'll hopefully keep people on the bandwagon.
radarsat1 8y ago
> in ten years and say to themselves "doesn’t seem so bad to me..." except we don't have to wait 10 years, it is already bad. We are already seeing pretty drastic changes in weather patterns are we not?
- dwighttk 8y ago
  "doesn't seem so bad to me..." can be thought in response to a very broad range of situations
marcosdumay 8y ago
Even worse, people will remember you saying "we only have 30 years" in 5 years and complain that you are always calling for the end of the world, but it never comes. That's what happened for cheap oil, where people had predictions with reasonable confidence.

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ra1n85 8y ago

But then you’re manipulating people, and suggesting the ends justify the means.