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simillary UK censor HBO's Last Week Tonight show when it reports about uk parliament https://theweek.com/speedreads/778214/john-oliver-fiendish-plan-around-bri

• dogma1138 8y ago
  That’s a bit different in the U.K. official parliament footage isn’t allowed to be used for satire or anything other than news reporting. This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. They could literarily have broadcast the same thing with muppets instead of the official footage and that would’ve been ok and a large part of wishes they had done just that. “We wanted to show you footage from the House of Commons but due to a 1743 law we can’t so here it is reenacted with sock puppets...” This would’ve been even better in my book.
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  • raverbashing 8y ago
    Is the law really from 1743? I mean, it can make sense, but I would find it interesting if the law was really that old
    • mhh__ 8y ago
      British democracy is brilliant, moronic, childish and wise: Many laws are indeed that old
    • mr_toad 8y ago
      They have laws going back over 700 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Marlborough https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Marlborough “The chapters currently valid are c.1, c.4, and c.15 (often referred to as the Distress Act 1267),[10] which seek to govern the recovery of damages ("distresses") and make it illegal to obtain recompense for damages other than through the courts, and c.23 (the Waste Act 1267),[11] which seeks to prevent tenant farmers from "making waste" to land they are in tenancy of.”
    • dmckeon 8y ago
      1628, at least, and, with some help from Samuel Johnson, > In 1738 the Commons fought back, declaring that it was a "high indignity and a notorious breach of privilege" to report what was said in the Chamber, even when it was in recess. [0] [0] https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/parliamentwork/communicating/overview/breachofprivilege/ https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofp...
    • dogma1138 8y ago
      No I pulled that one out of my ass but surprisingly wasn’t that far off.
  • intopieces 8y ago
    >This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. Copyright claims that result in reduced access to media are censorship.
    • throwaway98121 8y ago
      Thanks I was going to respond and say the same thing.
    • mmsimanga 8y ago
      As someone who has lived under a dictatorship, there is a difference. Laws in "democratic" countries and dictatorships don't differ so much. The difference is how they are enforced and what recourse you as a citizen have. In a dictatorship, the government rules that a show/film/song violates the law. No one not willing to go to jail challenges it. In a democracy, you are free to post a rant or picket because you disagree with the ruling. You are probably allowed to appeal the ruling and you wont disappear if you do appeal the ruling. It may look like both the UK and Saudi are censoring the media but I can definitely tell you it is not the same thing.
      • justtopost 8y ago
        Free to rant and picket is not free. If your government does not represent its people, holding signs and yelling is not recourse.
      • intopieces 8y ago
        Sure, there are definitely different degrees of censorship. Sometimes it happens for good reason -- slander, libel, inciting violence, exposing children to pornography. Sometimes it happens for bad reasons -- to suppress different opinions, to intimidate individuals, or simply to exert undue power over another one for monetary gain. But censorship is censorship, and when we refuse to call it by its name, we allow ourselves to forget that there is a powerful force controlling what we can see and consume. That kind of power must be checked, and checked always, and we must constantly re-affirm our consent to that power just as often.
  • JCharante 8y ago
    They've done something simular with the SCOTUS and dogs, so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary.
  • tonyztan 8y ago
    > "This was more of a copyright claim than censorship." Why should taxpayer-funded creations be copyrighted? They should be in the public domain by default, like in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_th...
    • riffraff 8y ago
      The us also has special rules such as the fact you can't show photos or videos of the supreme court sessions. This stuff is just generally odd.
    • dogma1138 8y ago
      While I don’t disagree with the notion that this is stupid. I disagree with the equivalence to censorship it’s a stupid old law, not means to silence political opinion they could’ve called each MP a cunt for 30 min and aired it just fine. HBO just didn’t realized it when making this programme, they have had to avoid other similar limitations by using dogs instead of supreme justices due to similar restrictions in the US.
  • dingoegret 8y ago
    It's always different when you do it isn't it?
  • eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y ago
    Semantics. You can call it whatever you want, but it’s censorship.
    • mhh__ 8y ago
      It is, however: For better or worse, British political media is regulated. Around election time, for example, Purdah bans all political advertising apart from allocated x minute slots
      • ryanmercer 8y ago
        >Purdah bans all political advertising apart from allocated x minute slots I wish we would adopt this, not that I watch live television anymore though but plenty of people still do. "Joe Smith once let his dog crap on a lawn, Joe did not pick it up, do you want Joe in office? Paid for by the committee to help the group to help the council to elect Jane Doe" Next commercial break "Jane Doe uses 3 cans of hairspray a week yet claims to care about the environment. Jane only cares about her hair. Paid for the by the cabal to support the organization of the committee of electing Joe Smith'.
    • dogma1138 8y ago
      No it’s not, this has nothing to do with the political message of the content, they could’ve shown anything they wanted heck they could’ve shown a 30min footage of someone calling TM a cunt and that would not have been censored.
  • kumarharsh 8y ago
    That's exactly what John Oliver did in the Brexit Update video a few weeks ago: https://youtu.be/MdHmp5EX5bE https://youtu.be/MdHmp5EX5bE