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On the other hand you have quite different mindset for work and parenthood. Everyone expects you to take at least half a year off work as a father. You still ge

by Moru 8y ago

On the other hand you have quite different mindset for work and parenthood. Everyone expects you to take at least half a year off work as a father. You still get payed during this time. Tax is calculated for you, all you need to do is sign (with your mobile ID). If you get sick you get payed after the first day. Hospital visit is about $8 per night. Doctor $20 per visit. It all depends on what is worth for you.

kochthesecond 8y ago
Americans have the best care in the world (for those with decent insurance) but they also spend nearly 3x as much on health care than Britain. I wish I could cite these numbers, but I cant find the link anymore.
- egourlao 8y ago
  > Americans have the best care in the world I've been reading that a lot, but I can't find any decisive evidence supporting it - what leads you to think that?
  - spiderfarmer 8y ago
    Arrogance.
- pkz 8y ago
  This source says 2x as much: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2674671 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/26746...
  - kochthesecond 8y ago
    Yeah, I didn't find my old source, it was a news article I remembered that compared spending per capita and typical time to treat a condition. I did find this though that says 2x: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2674671 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2674671
- geomark 8y ago
  "Americans have the best care in the world (for those with decent insurance)" I don't think I have ever heard that claim before. I am American, had very good insurance through my employers when I was living in the US, and routinely experienced mediocre care. But I didn't have anything to compare it to at the time. After I moved overseas and experienced excellent healthcare I know better.
  - kochthesecond 8y ago
    It focused on treatment and seeing a specialist. "Oh, you need a specialist. You will get a letter for an appointment in about 4 months." 4 months later when you go see the specialist, he decides he needs an MRI to diagnose. Wait another 3 months for the scan. Unless you are literally dying right now, this is the reality of many health care systems. This scenario is about 3x more common in national health plan systems than in insurance based ones.
    - theredbox 8y ago
      It is laughable and these people are delusional. I literally can get all appointments within a day in South Korea for affordable prices.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
      The important thing about the NHS is that funding is allocated to regional trusts, which are up to a point responsible for raising their own funds from public and sometimes private money. The result is that funding is subject to what is colloquially known as the "Postcode lottery". In other words, if you are in an affluent area with a well-funded NHS trust, you will receive prompt and plentiful care whenever you need it and for whatever reason you need it. Less affluent areas must prioritise to meet their budget constraints, so they will indeed make you wait for a long time, unless there is an emergency. So, reports in the (non-UK) media that claim that it may take "4 months" to be seen by GP or a specialist doctor unless you're dying, etc, are a) exaggerated and b) don't take into account the regional differences in service, which can be very pronounced.
- DanBC 8y ago
  About costs of treatment: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/articles/howdoesukhealthcarespendingcompareinternationally/2016-11-01 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
stevekemp 8y ago
For the future "paid" is the word you should use, rather than "payed". I do enjoy reading about Sweden though, especially the child-facilities and social-care. Things are similar here in Finland, but there are differences. Both are worlds apart from what I grew up with in the UK though.
- Accacin 8y ago
  As a Brit, I imagine the worlds apart are the child facilities and social care? The big thing in the UK that really makes me think about not having children is the prohibitive cost of child care, although our current social care is appalling and an embarrassment.
  - robin_reala 8y ago
    Sweden has made the choice unlike the UK that gender equality is only achieved when both parents have equal opportunities in the job market. That way, both parents get equal child leave (with a floating pot to be shared as needed), and childcare is effectively free to encourage both parents back to work when able. The only other big change is a political system built on coalitions. Apart from that, it’s mostly the same.
    - solarkraft 8y ago
      > both parents get equal child leave (with a floating pot to be shared as needed) That is so obvious. How else would one do it?
    - dsajames 8y ago
      I find this strange. You are essentially saying caring for your own children isn't something you should do, something only poorer people should do. This sounds like hiring a mercenary army instead of having a domestic volunteer army.
    - Accacin 8y ago
      Yes this for me makes complete sense. The UK has made some small steps in the right direction and I hope this continues. Childcare like I said is completely ridiculous and needs to be looked at.

by Moru 8y ago

kochthesecond 8y ago

Americans have the best care in the world (for those with decent insurance) but they also spend nearly 3x as much on health care than Britain. I wish I could cite these numbers, but I cant find the link anymore.

egourlao 8y ago
> Americans have the best care in the world I've been reading that a lot, but I can't find any decisive evidence supporting it - what leads you to think that?
- spiderfarmer 8y ago
  Arrogance.
pkz 8y ago
This source says 2x as much: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2674671 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/26746...
- kochthesecond 8y ago
  Yeah, I didn't find my old source, it was a news article I remembered that compared spending per capita and typical time to treat a condition. I did find this though that says 2x: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2674671 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2674671
geomark 8y ago
"Americans have the best care in the world (for those with decent insurance)" I don't think I have ever heard that claim before. I am American, had very good insurance through my employers when I was living in the US, and routinely experienced mediocre care. But I didn't have anything to compare it to at the time. After I moved overseas and experienced excellent healthcare I know better.
- kochthesecond 8y ago
  It focused on treatment and seeing a specialist. "Oh, you need a specialist. You will get a letter for an appointment in about 4 months." 4 months later when you go see the specialist, he decides he needs an MRI to diagnose. Wait another 3 months for the scan. Unless you are literally dying right now, this is the reality of many health care systems. This scenario is about 3x more common in national health plan systems than in insurance based ones.
  - theredbox 8y ago
    It is laughable and these people are delusional. I literally can get all appointments within a day in South Korea for affordable prices.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
    The important thing about the NHS is that funding is allocated to regional trusts, which are up to a point responsible for raising their own funds from public and sometimes private money. The result is that funding is subject to what is colloquially known as the "Postcode lottery". In other words, if you are in an affluent area with a well-funded NHS trust, you will receive prompt and plentiful care whenever you need it and for whatever reason you need it. Less affluent areas must prioritise to meet their budget constraints, so they will indeed make you wait for a long time, unless there is an emergency. So, reports in the (non-UK) media that claim that it may take "4 months" to be seen by GP or a specialist doctor unless you're dying, etc, are a) exaggerated and b) don't take into account the regional differences in service, which can be very pronounced.
DanBC 8y ago
About costs of treatment: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/articles/howdoesukhealthcarespendingcompareinternationally/2016-11-01 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...

stevekemp 8y ago

For the future "paid" is the word you should use, rather than "payed". I do enjoy reading about Sweden though, especially the child-facilities and social-care. Things are similar here in Finland, but there are differences. Both are worlds apart from what I grew up with in the UK though.

Accacin 8y ago
As a Brit, I imagine the worlds apart are the child facilities and social care? The big thing in the UK that really makes me think about not having children is the prohibitive cost of child care, although our current social care is appalling and an embarrassment.
- robin_reala 8y ago
  Sweden has made the choice unlike the UK that gender equality is only achieved when both parents have equal opportunities in the job market. That way, both parents get equal child leave (with a floating pot to be shared as needed), and childcare is effectively free to encourage both parents back to work when able. The only other big change is a political system built on coalitions. Apart from that, it’s mostly the same.
  - solarkraft 8y ago
    > both parents get equal child leave (with a floating pot to be shared as needed) That is so obvious. How else would one do it?
  - dsajames 8y ago
    I find this strange. You are essentially saying caring for your own children isn't something you should do, something only poorer people should do. This sounds like hiring a mercenary army instead of having a domestic volunteer army.
  - Accacin 8y ago
    Yes this for me makes complete sense. The UK has made some small steps in the right direction and I hope this continues. Childcare like I said is completely ridiculous and needs to be looked at.