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Devs stay in one place like 15 months Occassionally a 2 year stint just so some Gen X-er that reviews their resume’ doesnt consider them too noncommittal No n

Devs stay in one place like 15 months Occassionally a 2 year stint just so some Gen X-er that reviews their resume’ doesnt consider them too noncommittal No need to mince words about people leaving

mywittyname 8y ago
I don't know if this is the norm outside of SV. I typically stay four years at a position and almost every interview I've had, people will comment about how short of a tenure that is. It's definitely not unusual for developers to stay in roles for a decade or more. Especially very good ones.
- gammateam 8y ago
  Its not the norm outside VC-backed tech land There is just a lot of stuff to build and a salary that needs to increase 30% every other year
  - grogenaut 8y ago
    I see all the comments about needing huge pay bumps every 2-3 years and then I also see things about how you can’t get a job in sv over 40. I wonder if it’s related
    - gammateam 8y ago
      Food for thought but probably not
  - mywittyname 8y ago
    I'm not so sure the 30% pay increase with every job hop is necessarily the norm either. Maybe at first when you're moving up from entry-level to senior. But in some markets, you hit the regional salary cap after four of those and you're stuck with 2-4% annual raises -- even with in-demand skill sets. If I posted the job offers I've received for having experience with Spark/Hadoop, building / productionizing machine learning models (since 2011 even), an AWS certificate, and 15 years worth of other worthwhile skills, people here wouldn't believe me because they are so low. Definitely well below the startng salary of someone at Google. Yet I've had three, all of which were basically identical.
bauerd 8y ago
Mind providing a source for this? I read this all the time but it doesn't match my experience here in Germany.
- scarface74 8y ago
  1.5 to 3 years doesn’t seem to be too far off the mark. https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-stay-in-their-jobs/ https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-s...
  - gammateam 8y ago
    Thanks for the backup Maybe some people stop wasting their lives tallying the years instead of tallying those 000s In b4 “but I like my manager and team”
  - microtherion 8y ago
    Hmm, data compiled from "Public Profiles". I wonder where they got "Public Profiles", listing people's profession and length of tenure. Could it be places like LinkedIn or Dice, and could it be that such places overrepresent engineers inclined to switch jobs? Personally, I'd be disinclined to interview a candidate with >= 3 jobs on the resumé, none of which lasted longer than 2 years. Taking into account the time spent for them to get up to speed, and the time their successors would have to spend taking over their code, it seems unlikely that their tenure would make much of a positive impact. Furthermore, a key driver of experience in software engineers is maintaining their own code over multiple product cycles. Job hoppers not only don't acquire that experience, but may actively fall into a habit of bailing as soon as they get sick of their own code.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Well,two points. - Salary compression especially early on in your career is real. Most companies don’t do market adjustments after you are hired and only adjust salaries by a predetermined very low amount. The only way to get market salaries is by frequent job changes. - If you have a job and people are willing to hire a job hopper, why not leave? At some point it will be a negative but when that time comes, just stay at a job until you get a better one. Also, if you do change jobs make sure it’s for the right reasons. For me, it’s technology, environment, and money in that order.
winrid 8y ago
Hmm. Been at the same company over five years because there were drastic changes/new things every six months. Luckily they were able to do a few promotions and stuff... :)

Devs stay in one place like 15 months Occassionally a 2 year stint just so some Gen X-er that reviews their resume’ doesnt consider them too noncommittal No need to mince words about people leaving

mywittyname 8y ago

I don't know if this is the norm outside of SV. I typically stay four years at a position and almost every interview I've had, people will comment about how short of a tenure that is. It's definitely not unusual for developers to stay in roles for a decade or more. Especially very good ones.

gammateam 8y ago
Its not the norm outside VC-backed tech land There is just a lot of stuff to build and a salary that needs to increase 30% every other year
- grogenaut 8y ago
  I see all the comments about needing huge pay bumps every 2-3 years and then I also see things about how you can’t get a job in sv over 40. I wonder if it’s related
  - gammateam 8y ago
    Food for thought but probably not
- mywittyname 8y ago
  I'm not so sure the 30% pay increase with every job hop is necessarily the norm either. Maybe at first when you're moving up from entry-level to senior. But in some markets, you hit the regional salary cap after four of those and you're stuck with 2-4% annual raises -- even with in-demand skill sets. If I posted the job offers I've received for having experience with Spark/Hadoop, building / productionizing machine learning models (since 2011 even), an AWS certificate, and 15 years worth of other worthwhile skills, people here wouldn't believe me because they are so low. Definitely well below the startng salary of someone at Google. Yet I've had three, all of which were basically identical.

bauerd 8y ago

Mind providing a source for this? I read this all the time but it doesn't match my experience here in Germany.

scarface74 8y ago
1.5 to 3 years doesn’t seem to be too far off the mark. https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-stay-in-their-jobs/ https://insights.dice.com/2016/07/08/how-long-do-tech-pros-s...
- gammateam 8y ago
  Thanks for the backup Maybe some people stop wasting their lives tallying the years instead of tallying those 000s In b4 “but I like my manager and team”
- microtherion 8y ago
  Hmm, data compiled from "Public Profiles". I wonder where they got "Public Profiles", listing people's profession and length of tenure. Could it be places like LinkedIn or Dice, and could it be that such places overrepresent engineers inclined to switch jobs? Personally, I'd be disinclined to interview a candidate with >= 3 jobs on the resumé, none of which lasted longer than 2 years. Taking into account the time spent for them to get up to speed, and the time their successors would have to spend taking over their code, it seems unlikely that their tenure would make much of a positive impact. Furthermore, a key driver of experience in software engineers is maintaining their own code over multiple product cycles. Job hoppers not only don't acquire that experience, but may actively fall into a habit of bailing as soon as they get sick of their own code.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Well,two points. - Salary compression especially early on in your career is real. Most companies don’t do market adjustments after you are hired and only adjust salaries by a predetermined very low amount. The only way to get market salaries is by frequent job changes. - If you have a job and people are willing to hire a job hopper, why not leave? At some point it will be a negative but when that time comes, just stay at a job until you get a better one. Also, if you do change jobs make sure it’s for the right reasons. For me, it’s technology, environment, and money in that order.

winrid 8y ago

Hmm. Been at the same company over five years because there were drastic changes/new things every six months. Luckily they were able to do a few promotions and stuff... :)