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What's funny is that many young people in the industry now would never think of staying at one place for 3-5 years cause they don't want to invest the time. A
by sureaboutthis 8y ago
What's funny is that many young people in the industry now would never think of staying at one place for 3-5 years cause they don't want to invest the time.
A neighbor of mine is in his 60s and lost his job the same way. He can run rings around anyone I know but he can't find a job or even get an interview.
Bjarne Stroustrup, the C++ creator, wrote a blog post about going for a job interview and being told he "didn't fit the culture" and he knew what that meant.
- user5994461 8y agoNot being able to have an interview is a red flag. Companies can't tell the age from a resume. If they can, take off the date of birth, remove the year on your degrees and don't list experiences beyond 20 years.
- ovi256 8y ago>Companies can't tell the age from a resume. Companies can't add 18 + length of schooling + length of career ?
- jsjohnst 8y agoYou shouldn’t list your entire career on your resume, just the past 10-15 years. Also, assuming “18 + length of schooling” is bad too. You’d be way off on my age then too (I graduated HS several years early).
- DJHenk 8y ago> Also, assuming “18 + length of schooling” is bad too. That does not mean that it doesn't happen. I mean, we already established that we're dealing with short-sighted people here.
- jsjohnst 8y ago> That does not mean that it doesn't happen. Never said it doesn’t happen, I know it does. I simply stated it’s a very flawed approach and gave one example of why.
- adventured 8y ago18 + 4 + 10 = 32 You actually have 18 years of experience, making you 40 years of age, and you're listing only the most recent ~10 years. They have no practical means to accurately figure out your age from that resume. The best it can do is slightly help you avoid the first layer of age-based screening.
- taude 8y agoI've done this on mine, and I'm pretty sure when companies see this, it's a signal for an older person.
- sureaboutthis 8y agoThen you show up for the interview and people still can't tell your age? Isn't that a waste of time?
- ghaff 8y agoI've been given this advice and I'm skeptical. You can only mask things to a certain degree, it can make you look like you're hiding something (which you are), and the hiring manager will figure it out soon enough in any case. If they really want to age discriminate you're probably better off finding out sooner than later anyway. In any case, later career jobs tend to come from personal networks anyway. My resume was just a formality for any interview I've had in the last 20 years.
- user5994461 8y agoIt's not hiding anything. A resume is a two pages flyer to advertise your services. It doesn't pretend to accurately represent you as a person or 40 years of accumulated experience. It's really bad if a resume never pass the first screening, it literally can't get a job. It's not reasonable to blame age for that, interviewers cannot guess the age from just a resume (and if they can they shouldn't let be).
- ghaff 8y agoYes, it’s a flyer but it’s a flyer that many expect to include specific information in a specific format. You are free to ignore those expectations of course but employers are also free to draw various conclusions about apparent employment gaps, incomplete work history, etc. even if those conclusions aren’t warranted.
- justaaron 8y agocan and do. your premise is faulty
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago> Bjarne Stroustrup I actually spoke to him at a tech event, he was super nice and I totally don't doubt the 'culture fit'
- mcguire 8y agoAny links to the Bjarne story? I can't find it.
- brett40324 8y agoWow, do you have a link to the blog post? Bjarne, if you read his C++ books, is a great technical communicator and author, and his contribution to computer science speaks for itself.