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Do you have any examples? (Genuinely interested)

by nugator 8y ago

chrisseaton 8y ago
Haggis, is one example. They don't like the sheep lung used in it, apparently.
- adventured 8y ago
  Haggis is not illegal in the US. It's illegal to import it eg from the UK. You can make and sell haggis domestically in the US.
  - chrisseaton 8y ago
    > You can make and sell haggis domestically in the US I don't know if you're an expert in Haggis, so maybe you know more than me, but this FAQ says otherwise. http://www.scottishhaggis.com/index.php/frequently-asked-questions/ http://www.scottishhaggis.com/index.php/frequently-asked-que... > the USDA does not allow sheep lungs to be used in manufacture
    - eesmith 8y ago
      The text before your quote is "since we cannot import haggis to the US our haggis for the US market is made in Bangor Maine" and the text immediately after is "all haggis made in the US except our haggis links is in an artificial casing". In other words, you pointed to a source which confirms that it is possible to make and sell haggis domestically in the US.
      - chrisseaton 8y ago
        That's like saying hamburgers are allowed, you just can't have any ground beef in them. Haggis is made from sheep's lung - that's what it is. They just do a phony version for the Americans and call it haggis anyway.
        eesmith 8y ago
        I believe I understand your viewpoint. Here's further commentary on the US version of haggis - https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21128089 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21128089 - and Canadian - https://www.macleans.ca/culture/the-lung-debate-over-authentic-haggis-in-canada/ https://www.macleans.ca/culture/the-lung-debate-over-authent... . I do not agree with your analogy. People do refer to "vegetarian hamburgers". For examples, https://www.yummly.com/recipe/Vegetarian-Hamburgers-626992?prm-v1=1 https://www.yummly.com/recipe/Vegetarian-Hamburgers-626992?p... and https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g30196-d10434055-r387502484-P_Terry_s_Burger_Stand-Austin_Texas.html https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g30196-d10434055... . People also refer to vegetarian haggis - https://www.hendersonsofedinburgh.co.uk/food/vegan-haggis-and-root-mash https://www.hendersonsofedinburgh.co.uk/food/vegan-haggis-an... and https://www.macsween.co.uk/products/delicious-every-day-vegetarian/ https://www.macsween.co.uk/products/delicious-every-day-vege... . The Wikipedia page points out that "Some commercial haggis is largely made from pig, rather than sheep, offal" and points to http://www.ramsayofcarluke.co.uk/products/traditional-ball-haggis-1kg/ http://www.ramsayofcarluke.co.uk/products/traditional-ball-h... which uses pig lungs instead of sheep lungs. The Wikipedia page also references a 1615 recipe for haggis which does not require sheep lungs, saying "oat-meale mixed with blood, and the Liver of either Sheepe, Calfe or Swine, maketh that pudding which is called the Haggas or Haggus". To me this sounds like the old gatekeeper question of who gets to assign authenticity. Since things called "haggis" are sold in Scotland (or at least the UK), and do not have sheep lungs, I think that means it is incorrect to say that just because a product sold in the US or Canada does not have sheep lungs in it, it cannot be called haggis.
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stedaniels 8y ago
Kinder Eggs..
- Someone1234 8y ago
  Kinder Eggs aren't banned in the US, Kinder Surprise is. Even Costco sells Kinder Eggs.
  - jimktrains2 8y ago
    The ones with the toys in then are in my understanding.
  - chrisseaton 8y ago
    These are not the same product as is sold in Europe.
    - Someone1234 8y ago
      Actually you can find the new style in Europe now too. They're moving away from the in-egg version everywhere.
      - peterstjohn 8y ago
        Any evidence that Ferrero is planning to drop Kinder Surprise?
        Someone1234 8y ago
        You're asking for evidence of something nobody claimed. I simply stated that the US style Kinder eggs have appeared in Europe and are for sale.
        rubyfox 8y ago
        “Moving away from in-egg version” suggests that Surprise will be dropped at some point. Also, Joy were introduced in Italy in 2001, so they’ve been in Europe for a long time.
williamdclt 8y ago
Raw milk cheese is a classic
- 549362-30499 8y ago
  Raw milk cheese is not banned in the US, in fact it has a specific exemption in the federal law regarding unpasteurized milk. Further, those laws only apply to transportation across states, so you can legally buy raw milk within most (all?) states.
  - erikpukinskis 8y ago
    > For now, these are the states that allow the sale of raw milk at retail stores: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Nevada, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2014/04/where-to-get-raw-milk-in-the-united.html https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2014/04/wher...
NullPrefix 8y ago
Kinder chocolate eggs, because they have toys that are surrounded by food. The toy is at risk of being eaten.
- NullPrefix 8y ago
  edit: they sell Kinder joy, but not Kinder surprise. Joy has the egg cut in half and the halves are packaged separately.
- sayno3 8y ago
  So in the US they ban things based on the expected stupidity of people swallowing the entire egg, and in the EU they ban based on carcinogenic additives that increase short term profit whose negative effects won't be seen for years? Seems appropriate.
user982 8y ago
Mustard oil.
- applecrazy 8y ago
  That's not completely true. While it is banned for consumption, Indian cooking and more recently, American cooking, has begun using mustard oil[1]. Edit: the linked article mentions that research into the health risks of mustard oil has not been conclusive. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/dining/american-chefs-discover-mustard-oil.html https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/dining/american-chefs-dis...
  - user982 8y ago
    > That's not completely true. While it is banned for consumption, Indian cooking and more recently, American cooking, has begun using mustard oil How is it untrue? The chefs in that article are (technically illegally) using massage oil with a required "for external use only" warning label, because that is "the only use for which it is legally approved in the United States."
derekp7 8y ago
Washed eggs (required in the US) vs unwashed eggs (required in Europe)
- aequitas 8y ago
  Interesting, never knew there was a difference. Just looked it up: in EU chickens are vaccinated against salmonella and the US not. But cleaning them does make the eggs vulnerable due to removing the outer protective layer. Hence they need to be refrigerated. Still strange though every fridge I know comes with a egg basket though nobody I know in the Netherlands puts their eggs in the fridge.
  - kyriakos 8y ago
    Netherlands may not be hot enough but in Cyprus for example we store our eggs in the fridge or they go bad much sooner.
CorvusCrypto 8y ago
Horse meat, anything deemed unsanitary like haggis (edit: think like scottish-made haggis, meaning containing "unsanitary parts" like lung), unpasteurized milk (though some states override this). I think banana tree oil and sassafras oil are allowed in EU as well but are banned in US due to links to cancer.
swebs 8y ago
Beluga caviar
wcoenen 8y ago
In the US, unwashed eggs aren't allowed. In the EU, it's the other way around; eggs must be unwashed. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nadiaarumugam/2012/10/25/why-american-eggs-would-be-illegal-in-a-british-supermarket-and-vice-versa/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nadiaarumugam/2012/10/25/why-am... https://www.businessinsider.com/why-europeans-dont-refrigerate-their-eggs-2018-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-europeans-dont-refrigera...
- nugator 8y ago
  Super interesting, did not know this and looked it up (I'm a Swede). Washing eggs is NOT illegal in the EU (at least in Sweden) if your washing them at a certified plant. Washing them the wrong way can spread bacteria through the shell of the egg. So a farmer without the certified plant is not allowed to wash the eggs. Washed eggs are marked as washed to the consumer and all eggs I've ever bought in stores here have been washed.
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kenny11 8y ago
Sodium cyclamate - used as an artificial sweeter in the EU but banned in the US (and other countries). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyclamate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyclamate

Do you have any examples? (Genuinely interested)

chrisseaton 8y ago

Haggis, is one example. They don't like the sheep lung used in it, apparently.

adventured 8y ago
Haggis is not illegal in the US. It's illegal to import it eg from the UK. You can make and sell haggis domestically in the US.
- chrisseaton 8y ago
  > You can make and sell haggis domestically in the US I don't know if you're an expert in Haggis, so maybe you know more than me, but this FAQ says otherwise. http://www.scottishhaggis.com/index.php/frequently-asked-questions/ http://www.scottishhaggis.com/index.php/frequently-asked-que... > the USDA does not allow sheep lungs to be used in manufacture
  - eesmith 8y ago
    The text before your quote is "since we cannot import haggis to the US our haggis for the US market is made in Bangor Maine" and the text immediately after is "all haggis made in the US except our haggis links is in an artificial casing". In other words, you pointed to a source which confirms that it is possible to make and sell haggis domestically in the US.
    - chrisseaton 8y ago
      That's like saying hamburgers are allowed, you just can't have any ground beef in them. Haggis is made from sheep's lung - that's what it is. They just do a phony version for the Americans and call it haggis anyway.
      - eesmith 8y ago
        I believe I understand your viewpoint. Here's further commentary on the US version of haggis - https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21128089 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21128089 - and Canadian - https://www.macleans.ca/culture/the-lung-debate-over-authentic-haggis-in-canada/ https://www.macleans.ca/culture/the-lung-debate-over-authent... . I do not agree with your analogy. People do refer to "vegetarian hamburgers". For examples, https://www.yummly.com/recipe/Vegetarian-Hamburgers-626992?prm-v1=1 https://www.yummly.com/recipe/Vegetarian-Hamburgers-626992?p... and https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g30196-d10434055-r387502484-P_Terry_s_Burger_Stand-Austin_Texas.html https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g30196-d10434055... . People also refer to vegetarian haggis - https://www.hendersonsofedinburgh.co.uk/food/vegan-haggis-and-root-mash https://www.hendersonsofedinburgh.co.uk/food/vegan-haggis-an... and https://www.macsween.co.uk/products/delicious-every-day-vegetarian/ https://www.macsween.co.uk/products/delicious-every-day-vege... . The Wikipedia page points out that "Some commercial haggis is largely made from pig, rather than sheep, offal" and points to http://www.ramsayofcarluke.co.uk/products/traditional-ball-haggis-1kg/ http://www.ramsayofcarluke.co.uk/products/traditional-ball-h... which uses pig lungs instead of sheep lungs. The Wikipedia page also references a 1615 recipe for haggis which does not require sheep lungs, saying "oat-meale mixed with blood, and the Liver of either Sheepe, Calfe or Swine, maketh that pudding which is called the Haggas or Haggus". To me this sounds like the old gatekeeper question of who gets to assign authenticity. Since things called "haggis" are sold in Scotland (or at least the UK), and do not have sheep lungs, I think that means it is incorrect to say that just because a product sold in the US or Canada does not have sheep lungs in it, it cannot be called haggis.
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stedaniels 8y ago

Kinder Eggs..

Someone1234 8y ago
Kinder Eggs aren't banned in the US, Kinder Surprise is. Even Costco sells Kinder Eggs.
- jimktrains2 8y ago
  The ones with the toys in then are in my understanding.
- chrisseaton 8y ago
  These are not the same product as is sold in Europe.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    Actually you can find the new style in Europe now too. They're moving away from the in-egg version everywhere.
    - peterstjohn 8y ago
      Any evidence that Ferrero is planning to drop Kinder Surprise?
      - Someone1234 8y ago
        You're asking for evidence of something nobody claimed. I simply stated that the US style Kinder eggs have appeared in Europe and are for sale.
        rubyfox 8y ago
        “Moving away from in-egg version” suggests that Surprise will be dropped at some point. Also, Joy were introduced in Italy in 2001, so they’ve been in Europe for a long time.

williamdclt 8y ago

Raw milk cheese is a classic

549362-30499 8y ago
Raw milk cheese is not banned in the US, in fact it has a specific exemption in the federal law regarding unpasteurized milk. Further, those laws only apply to transportation across states, so you can legally buy raw milk within most (all?) states.
- erikpukinskis 8y ago
  > For now, these are the states that allow the sale of raw milk at retail stores: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Nevada, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2014/04/where-to-get-raw-milk-in-the-united.html https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2014/04/wher...

NullPrefix 8y ago

Kinder chocolate eggs, because they have toys that are surrounded by food. The toy is at risk of being eaten.

NullPrefix 8y ago
edit: they sell Kinder joy, but not Kinder surprise. Joy has the egg cut in half and the halves are packaged separately.
sayno3 8y ago
So in the US they ban things based on the expected stupidity of people swallowing the entire egg, and in the EU they ban based on carcinogenic additives that increase short term profit whose negative effects won't be seen for years? Seems appropriate.

user982 8y ago

Mustard oil.

applecrazy 8y ago
That's not completely true. While it is banned for consumption, Indian cooking and more recently, American cooking, has begun using mustard oil[1]. Edit: the linked article mentions that research into the health risks of mustard oil has not been conclusive. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/dining/american-chefs-discover-mustard-oil.html https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/dining/american-chefs-dis...
- user982 8y ago
  > That's not completely true. While it is banned for consumption, Indian cooking and more recently, American cooking, has begun using mustard oil How is it untrue? The chefs in that article are (technically illegally) using massage oil with a required "for external use only" warning label, because that is "the only use for which it is legally approved in the United States."

derekp7 8y ago

Washed eggs (required in the US) vs unwashed eggs (required in Europe)

aequitas 8y ago
Interesting, never knew there was a difference. Just looked it up: in EU chickens are vaccinated against salmonella and the US not. But cleaning them does make the eggs vulnerable due to removing the outer protective layer. Hence they need to be refrigerated. Still strange though every fridge I know comes with a egg basket though nobody I know in the Netherlands puts their eggs in the fridge.
- kyriakos 8y ago
  Netherlands may not be hot enough but in Cyprus for example we store our eggs in the fridge or they go bad much sooner.

CorvusCrypto 8y ago

Horse meat, anything deemed unsanitary like haggis (edit: think like scottish-made haggis, meaning containing "unsanitary parts" like lung), unpasteurized milk (though some states override this). I think banana tree oil and sassafras oil are allowed in EU as well but are banned in US due to links to cancer.

swebs 8y ago

Beluga caviar

wcoenen 8y ago

In the US, unwashed eggs aren't allowed. In the EU, it's the other way around; eggs must be unwashed. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nadiaarumugam/2012/10/25/why-american-eggs-would-be-illegal-in-a-british-supermarket-and-vice-versa/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nadiaarumugam/2012/10/25/why-am... https://www.businessinsider.com/why-europeans-dont-refrigerate-their-eggs-2018-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-europeans-dont-refrigera...

nugator 8y ago
Super interesting, did not know this and looked it up (I'm a Swede). Washing eggs is NOT illegal in the EU (at least in Sweden) if your washing them at a certified plant. Washing them the wrong way can spread bacteria through the shell of the egg. So a farmer without the certified plant is not allowed to wash the eggs. Washed eggs are marked as washed to the consumer and all eggs I've ever bought in stores here have been washed.

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kenny11 8y ago

Sodium cyclamate - used as an artificial sweeter in the EU but banned in the US (and other countries). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyclamate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyclamate