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It is much harder as a band to find a good sponsor than a good photographer. Everybody is a photographer today and unless there is some value in the name or st

It is much harder as a band to find a good sponsor than a good photographer. Everybody is a photographer today and unless there is some value in the name or style associated with the photographer, they are just replaceable.

giornogiovanna 8y ago
This is quite plainly copyright infringement. Surely you wouldn't infringe upon someone's rights because "they are just replaceable"?
- 1337biz 8y ago
  The problem is that they let him take pictures of them in the first place without any restrictions. But they fixed that now. The 'I am a photographer and a lawyer' line won't make him many friends amongst artist.
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    > The problem is that they let him take pictures of them in the first place without any restrictions. I don't think that was the problem.
    - DanBC 8y ago
      It's clearly the problem: the band thought they owned image rights. The photographer had a different understanding.
      - ozgurozkan 8y ago
        Most people think like this: I have my face on that photo so that photo is mine not the photographer's. Photographer has rights to distribute, sell do whatever until the limit that is not harming the subject in the photo. In this case it is an artist she can only sue him if that photo harms her reputation. Instead her attitude harmed her reputation.
        1337biz 8y ago
        You can use the pictures for documentation/private use but unless you have an explicit agreement you can't use the pictures for commercial purpose. Otherwise, Nike could put up a sign 'All images here belong to us' in their store, photograph the next celebrity walking into their store and then use the picture of the celebrity in all promotion material without their endorsement.
        cthalupa 8y ago
        The primary reason for that is because that would imply endorsement. Conversely, if Nike photographs the next celebrity walking into their store and posts it on their instagram, that celebrity's sponsor can't grab that picture and then make it a link to their store.
throwaway8879 8y ago
> Everybody is a photographer today And everybody is a band today too. Doesn't mean we shouldn't respect their right to be paid for their work, no matter how "replaceable" they are.
- 1337biz 8y ago
  They are in demand. He is (apparently) not.
  - throwaway8879 8y ago
    I'm sorry, but demand and supply does not dictate how copyright ownership works. Are you implying that it's okay for me to torrent Arch Enemy's music just because they're not in as much demand as say mainstream pop music?
  - pmlnr 8y ago
    If this was true, his photo would not have been shared/stolen, would it?
Asooka 8y ago
Not sure the PR fallout is worth saving 100euro...
pmlnr 8y ago
> Everybody is a photographer today Everybody has a device that can take photos - that doesn't make them photographers. The difference between a seasoned concert photographer and a fan with a phone is quite immense. I don't argue with the sponsor part though, however, the new world order of "sponsored" things is making me skeptical - see https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/influencers-are-faking-brand-deals/578401/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/influ...
- DanBC 8y ago
  Photographs in the submitted article aren't particularly good though.
  - pmlnr 8y ago
    That is a bit out of the question, and is also a matter of personal taste. Apart from the taste, making good concert/event photos is challenging, especially with modern, narrow band lighting systems (LEDs), where if there's blue light on the stage, it will only hit the blue sensors, which is usually 1/4th of the total pixels you have.
- CJKinni 8y ago
  A great example of how an experienced photographer is more than just a body and a camera is contained within this story itself. The quality difference between the photograph the guy took a decade ago and the one he took this year was striking.
  - treis 8y ago
    Camera technology has come a long way in a decade too
oneplane 8y ago
> Everybody is a photographer today More like "everybody is a shitty photographer today". Most people have no clue what the f they are doing and calling themselves a photographer is just plain stupid. There are many people that 'take a picture', just like there are many that 'drive a car' or 'work at Burger King'. Doesn't mean they suddenly are a professional, or know what they are doing. Taking a picture isn't photography, just like driving a car doesn't make you a formula one racer and working at Burger King doesn't make you a five star chef.
- kevinventullo 8y ago
  Maybe the point is that for most purposes, a Burger King or Uber driver level of quality for photography is good enough.
PavlovsCat 8y ago
When someone says everyone is a photographer today because smartphones, I kinda want to see their photos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aLiIL75q0&t=4m46s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aLiIL75q0&t=4m46s It's like saying most people can grow hair and move their heads around, and today everybody can distort and speed up any sound file on their phone, so who needs metal bands.
sgift 8y ago
> Everybody is a photographer today Same as everybody is a programmer - I mean, everyone has a machine capable of it, right?

giornogiovanna 8y ago

This is quite plainly copyright infringement. Surely you wouldn't infringe upon someone's rights because "they are just replaceable"?

1337biz 8y ago
The problem is that they let him take pictures of them in the first place without any restrictions. But they fixed that now. The 'I am a photographer and a lawyer' line won't make him many friends amongst artist.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  > The problem is that they let him take pictures of them in the first place without any restrictions. I don't think that was the problem.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    It's clearly the problem: the band thought they owned image rights. The photographer had a different understanding.
    - ozgurozkan 8y ago
      Most people think like this: I have my face on that photo so that photo is mine not the photographer's. Photographer has rights to distribute, sell do whatever until the limit that is not harming the subject in the photo. In this case it is an artist she can only sue him if that photo harms her reputation. Instead her attitude harmed her reputation.
      - 1337biz 8y ago
        You can use the pictures for documentation/private use but unless you have an explicit agreement you can't use the pictures for commercial purpose. Otherwise, Nike could put up a sign 'All images here belong to us' in their store, photograph the next celebrity walking into their store and then use the picture of the celebrity in all promotion material without their endorsement.
        cthalupa 8y ago
        The primary reason for that is because that would imply endorsement. Conversely, if Nike photographs the next celebrity walking into their store and posts it on their instagram, that celebrity's sponsor can't grab that picture and then make it a link to their store.

throwaway8879 8y ago

> Everybody is a photographer today And everybody is a band today too. Doesn't mean we shouldn't respect their right to be paid for their work, no matter how "replaceable" they are.

1337biz 8y ago
They are in demand. He is (apparently) not.
- throwaway8879 8y ago
  I'm sorry, but demand and supply does not dictate how copyright ownership works. Are you implying that it's okay for me to torrent Arch Enemy's music just because they're not in as much demand as say mainstream pop music?
- pmlnr 8y ago
  If this was true, his photo would not have been shared/stolen, would it?

Asooka 8y ago

Not sure the PR fallout is worth saving 100euro...

pmlnr 8y ago

> Everybody is a photographer today Everybody has a device that can take photos - that doesn't make them photographers. The difference between a seasoned concert photographer and a fan with a phone is quite immense. I don't argue with the sponsor part though, however, the new world order of "sponsored" things is making me skeptical - see https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/influencers-are-faking-brand-deals/578401/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/12/influ...

DanBC 8y ago
Photographs in the submitted article aren't particularly good though.
- pmlnr 8y ago
  That is a bit out of the question, and is also a matter of personal taste. Apart from the taste, making good concert/event photos is challenging, especially with modern, narrow band lighting systems (LEDs), where if there's blue light on the stage, it will only hit the blue sensors, which is usually 1/4th of the total pixels you have.
CJKinni 8y ago
A great example of how an experienced photographer is more than just a body and a camera is contained within this story itself. The quality difference between the photograph the guy took a decade ago and the one he took this year was striking.
- treis 8y ago
  Camera technology has come a long way in a decade too

oneplane 8y ago

> Everybody is a photographer today More like "everybody is a shitty photographer today". Most people have no clue what the f they are doing and calling themselves a photographer is just plain stupid. There are many people that 'take a picture', just like there are many that 'drive a car' or 'work at Burger King'. Doesn't mean they suddenly are a professional, or know what they are doing. Taking a picture isn't photography, just like driving a car doesn't make you a formula one racer and working at Burger King doesn't make you a five star chef.

kevinventullo 8y ago
Maybe the point is that for most purposes, a Burger King or Uber driver level of quality for photography is good enough.

PavlovsCat 8y ago

When someone says everyone is a photographer today because smartphones, I kinda want to see their photos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aLiIL75q0&t=4m46s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aLiIL75q0&t=4m46s It's like saying most people can grow hair and move their heads around, and today everybody can distort and speed up any sound file on their phone, so who needs metal bands.

sgift 8y ago

> Everybody is a photographer today Same as everybody is a programmer - I mean, everyone has a machine capable of it, right?