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The difference is that in Firefox you have to go to the arcane about:config page while Chrome will roll this out by default for all users.

by ytqaz 8y ago

amelius 8y ago
The real difference is that Chrome actually breaks sites that legitimately use this behavior (hypothetically).
- otterley 8y ago
  Can you give an example of a legitimate use case?
  - sbr464 8y ago
    I like the change, trying to dig, maybe: A kiosk at a gov/hospital that needs a browser open on a default page? Their are probably better sys admin/mgmt tools available though.
  - andrei_says_ 8y ago
    Accidentally leaving a form in progress? I believe closing gmail browser window while composing a message would show a popup. I use it in an app where editing an item locks it for everyone else and to unlock it, one needs to save or cancel the edit. So closing the browser tab while editing shows a warning. Edit: I was corrected by the comment below. Had in mind a different function.
    - strictnein 8y ago
      That's not the window.open() call, which doesn't stop the browser window from closing. It's (I believe) a window.confirm call: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/confirm https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/conf...
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SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
Configuring things is arcane now? When did users become so helpless?
- Franciscouzo 8y ago
  Eternal September?
- TomMarius 8y ago
  If I tell my grandmother to open about:config she probably will write me off her will
  - hopler 8y ago
    My grandmother is pretty good with navigating text; constantly changing animated UIs are what confuse her.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    Everyones hypothetical grandma is a shitty proxy for all users.
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    - TomMarius 8y ago
      I taught retired people how to use computers for 5 years, I met and saw around 100 retirees interacting with a computer and talked with them about it. It's a very good proxy. You could see it immediately - they can handle good UX with good defaults, but a computer literally scares them and definitely NOT just lightly, I had people that nearly started crying when they thought they broke it - and the failure was that wallpaper was black but they expected a picture; I saw people literally screaming because a popup window or a dialog opened and they (in case of error) thought the computer is broken forever - I wish you saw their surprise when I clicked OK. Teaching them what is a button took at least 3 lessons - and that was in Windows 2000 to Windows XP times when a button actually looked like a button. They are seriously afraid to even use it normally. Expecting them to change configuration is utter bullshit.
quietbritishjim 8y ago
I don't think that is a difference: for the feature my comment was about (popups in tabs), the chances of Firefox and Chrome rolling this out to all users by default (not in a config, arcane or otherwise) seems roughly equal to me. That is: neither currently shows any indication, and I can't imagine why! I case I was unclear, the setting I'm talking about is totally different from the bug report linked by OP. For that: I have never seen a popup appear when closing a tab in Firefox so I suspect it was already fixed long before Chrome (and I haven't changed anything related to that in about: config)! But I haven't been about to find any definitive source about it.

The difference is that in Firefox you have to go to the arcane about:config page while Chrome will roll this out by default for all users.

by ytqaz 8y ago

The difference is that in Firefox you have to go to the arcane about:config page while Chrome will roll this out by default for all users.

amelius 8y ago

The real difference is that Chrome actually breaks sites that legitimately use this behavior (hypothetically).

otterley 8y ago
Can you give an example of a legitimate use case?
- sbr464 8y ago
  I like the change, trying to dig, maybe: A kiosk at a gov/hospital that needs a browser open on a default page? Their are probably better sys admin/mgmt tools available though.
- andrei_says_ 8y ago
  Accidentally leaving a form in progress? I believe closing gmail browser window while composing a message would show a popup. I use it in an app where editing an item locks it for everyone else and to unlock it, one needs to save or cancel the edit. So closing the browser tab while editing shows a warning. Edit: I was corrected by the comment below. Had in mind a different function.
  - strictnein 8y ago
    That's not the window.open() call, which doesn't stop the browser window from closing. It's (I believe) a window.confirm call: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/confirm https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/conf...
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago

Configuring things is arcane now? When did users become so helpless?

Franciscouzo 8y ago
Eternal September?
TomMarius 8y ago
If I tell my grandmother to open about:config she probably will write me off her will
- hopler 8y ago
  My grandmother is pretty good with navigating text; constantly changing animated UIs are what confuse her.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  Everyones hypothetical grandma is a shitty proxy for all users.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    I taught retired people how to use computers for 5 years, I met and saw around 100 retirees interacting with a computer and talked with them about it. It's a very good proxy. You could see it immediately - they can handle good UX with good defaults, but a computer literally scares them and definitely NOT just lightly, I had people that nearly started crying when they thought they broke it - and the failure was that wallpaper was black but they expected a picture; I saw people literally screaming because a popup window or a dialog opened and they (in case of error) thought the computer is broken forever - I wish you saw their surprise when I clicked OK. Teaching them what is a button took at least 3 lessons - and that was in Windows 2000 to Windows XP times when a button actually looked like a button. They are seriously afraid to even use it normally. Expecting them to change configuration is utter bullshit.

quietbritishjim 8y ago

I don't think that is a difference: for the feature my comment was about (popups in tabs), the chances of Firefox and Chrome rolling this out to all users by default (not in a config, arcane or otherwise) seems roughly equal to me. That is: neither currently shows any indication, and I can't imagine why! I case I was unclear, the setting I'm talking about is totally different from the bug report linked by OP. For that: I have never seen a popup appear when closing a tab in Firefox so I suspect it was already fixed long before Chrome (and I haven't changed anything related to that in about: config)! But I haven't been about to find any definitive source about it.