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Source? As opposed to US politicians like the Bushes, Clintons and Obamas? Or any of the countless corrupt puppet dictators that the US installed around the wo

Source? As opposed to US politicians like the Bushes, Clintons and Obamas? Or any of the countless corrupt puppet dictators that the US installed around the world? Listen, I know they're pushing really hard for a war right now; but unless you're right up there at the top of the pyramid, war is hell. The only thing that will ever get us out of this hole is truth, and truth starts with not spreading BS.

why_only_15 8y ago
The Bushes/Clintons/Obamas make their money from because people want to hear what they have to say (e.g. speeches, books), not because they steal money from the public coffers.
- a11595 8y ago
  I'm too lazy to grab the links, but take a look at when Bill did his speeches and how much he got paid, and when Hillary voted and pushed for legislation greatly benefiting the people paying him for those speeches. It's some crazy shit.
- sifoobar 8y ago
  Right :) The Clinton's Uranium deal with Rosatom is a nice example of how this works; of course you can't just give politicians piles of money, it needs to come with a bedtime story for the voters.
  - dralley 8y ago
    You've done zero research about this, then. A Canadian company owned uranium reserves and wanted to sell the ownership of them to Rosatom. Not the physical resources, which cannot leave the country, just the ownership. This still requires government oversight, so 8 different agencies had to sign off on it. All agencies did, including the state department. Hillary was not involved in the decision to approve the sale, apart from in charge of one of the many departments overseeing it.
    - mikeyouse 8y ago
      One last bit that people ignore -- The Clinton Foundation Initiative is a Public Charity (as opposed to a private foundation like the DJT Foundation) managed by a team of professionals subject to regular audits. Everyone one of their financial reports is posted on their website (by law), it would be public knowledge and it would be illegal if the Clintons benefitted financially in any way from the activities of the charity. They didn't. There are reams of pages of IRS guidance around private inurement in 501c groups (aka what was going on at the Trump Family Foundation -- a different type of nonprofit charity). You can safely ignore anyone who claims that the Clintons took money from anyone if they're claiming that money donated to their charity ends up in their pockets. They don't know what they're talking about.
      - Lkjhmnbv 8y ago
        https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/420131-feds-received-whistleblower-evidence-in-2017-alleging-clinton-foundation https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/420131-feds-received...
      - sifoobar 8y ago
        Right :) I do hope they pay you well. Basically everyone outside of their little communist bubble know what the Clintons are all about. More power, at any cost. But it's ending any second now, mark my words. The stuff that's been trickling out so far is the tip of the iceberg.
wnevets 8y ago
How is this even up for debate? It's hardly a secret unless you live under Putin's control I guess. [1] Sounds like you got a bad case of Whataboutism [2], I suggest seeing a doctor right a way. [1] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-way/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-way/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
anigbrowl 8y ago
If you've ever wondered what gaslighting is, this comment serves as a great example.
- sifoobar 8y ago
  Really now? So appealing to truth and common sense is now gaslighting. Newspeak much?

why_only_15 8y ago

The Bushes/Clintons/Obamas make their money from because people want to hear what they have to say (e.g. speeches, books), not because they steal money from the public coffers.

a11595 8y ago
I'm too lazy to grab the links, but take a look at when Bill did his speeches and how much he got paid, and when Hillary voted and pushed for legislation greatly benefiting the people paying him for those speeches. It's some crazy shit.
sifoobar 8y ago
Right :) The Clinton's Uranium deal with Rosatom is a nice example of how this works; of course you can't just give politicians piles of money, it needs to come with a bedtime story for the voters.
- dralley 8y ago
  You've done zero research about this, then. A Canadian company owned uranium reserves and wanted to sell the ownership of them to Rosatom. Not the physical resources, which cannot leave the country, just the ownership. This still requires government oversight, so 8 different agencies had to sign off on it. All agencies did, including the state department. Hillary was not involved in the decision to approve the sale, apart from in charge of one of the many departments overseeing it.
  - mikeyouse 8y ago
    One last bit that people ignore -- The Clinton Foundation Initiative is a Public Charity (as opposed to a private foundation like the DJT Foundation) managed by a team of professionals subject to regular audits. Everyone one of their financial reports is posted on their website (by law), it would be public knowledge and it would be illegal if the Clintons benefitted financially in any way from the activities of the charity. They didn't. There are reams of pages of IRS guidance around private inurement in 501c groups (aka what was going on at the Trump Family Foundation -- a different type of nonprofit charity). You can safely ignore anyone who claims that the Clintons took money from anyone if they're claiming that money donated to their charity ends up in their pockets. They don't know what they're talking about.
    - Lkjhmnbv 8y ago
      https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/420131-feds-received-whistleblower-evidence-in-2017-alleging-clinton-foundation https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/420131-feds-received...
    - sifoobar 8y ago
      Right :) I do hope they pay you well. Basically everyone outside of their little communist bubble know what the Clintons are all about. More power, at any cost. But it's ending any second now, mark my words. The stuff that's been trickling out so far is the tip of the iceberg.

wnevets 8y ago

How is this even up for debate? It's hardly a secret unless you live under Putin's control I guess. [1] Sounds like you got a bad case of Whataboutism [2], I suggest seeing a doctor right a way. [1] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-way/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-way/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

anigbrowl 8y ago

If you've ever wondered what gaslighting is, this comment serves as a great example.

sifoobar 8y ago
Really now? So appealing to truth and common sense is now gaslighting. Newspeak much?